[sca-bindings] Raw chat minutes of March 25 telecom

[Laurent Domenech <ldomenec@tibco.com>]

Please find attached raw minutes for binding TC 25 March 2010.

Simon Holdsworth: Audio conference: 

Meeting Number: * 913929 * (press * before and after the digits) 

Phone numbers: 

Austria = Vienna 026822056419 
Belgium = Brussels 022901709 
China = Beijing 01052237296 
Czech Republic = Prague 239014054 
Denmark = Copenhagen 32714982 
France = Lyon 0426840196 Marseille 0488915310 Paris 0170994364 
France TollFree = 0800944795 
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Germany TollFree = 08006646304 
India = Mumbai 02261501417 
Ireland = Dublin 014367612 
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Japan = Tokyo 0357675037 
Netherlands = Amsterdam 0207965349 
Poland Toll-free = 008001213648 
Portugal Toll Free = 800782079 
Russia = Moscow 84999222481 
Russia Toll Free = 81080022074011 
South Africa Toll-free = 0800982617 
Spain = Barcelona 934923140 Madrid 917889793 
Sweden = Stockholm 0850520404 
Switzerland = Geneva 0225927186 
UAE Toll-free = 8000440387 
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UK Toll Free = 08003581667 
USA = 19543344789 
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anonymous morphed into Bryan Aupperle
Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening 

Introductions 
Roll call 

Scribe assignment 

Top of the scribe list: 
Plamen Pavlov SAP AG 
Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited 
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation 
Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. 
Laurent Domenech TIBCO Software Inc. 
Bryan Aupperle IBM 
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation 
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation 
David Booz IBM 

Agenda bashing 

2. Approval of the minutes from 18th March: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36972/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202010-03-18.doc 

3. Actions 

20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding use cases 
20090709-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding schema appendix title to include 1.1 
20100304-1 [Anish Karmarkar] Draft a formal response to the original PR comment in issue 87, ready for TC review. 
20100311-1 [Anish Karmarkar] Update the WS TA doc to sync up with the spec cd03-rev2 
20100318-1 [Anish Karmarkar] Produce an updated proposal to resolve issue BINDINGS-124 

4. New Issues 

No new issues 

5. Discuss proposed TC schedule 

Updated following discussion on call of 4th March 
Consider date by which open issues are to be closed or deferred; also consider raising open vote to 2/3. 

25th March: Focus on issue 124; bindings specs and TA documents updated for all currently resolved issues and ready for review for cd review. 
8th April: cd vote on bindings specs and TA documents; discuss production of test case documents/test cases; submit cd04 of bindings specs for second public review; 
15th April: Initial test case documents and test cases prepared for discussion/review 
29th April: Test cases complete 
6th May: Submit cd01 of TA documents and test cases for public review 

6. Open issue discussion 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-124 
Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Anish Karmarar 
Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Updated proposal in email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201003/msg00058.html 
Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201003/msg00064.html 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-111 
binding.jms uses JMS URI scheme even though it is not a valid IETF internet draft 
Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Unassigned 
Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Pending response from Oracle with respect to approval of the IETF draft 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-60 
JMS Default wire format insufficient to cover real world usage 
Raiser: Mike Edwards, owner: Simon Holdsworth 
Priority: 3 (deferred) 
Status: outline proposal in issue 

8. AOB
anonymous morphed into anish
Laurent Domenech: Laurent is scribing
Laurent Domenech: Review of action items
Laurent Domenech: No new issues
Martin C: skype is muting me for some reason - dialling back in
Laurent Domenech: 20100304-1, 20100311-1 and 20100318-1 are completed
Laurent Domenech: Meeting is quorate
Laurent Domenech: Approval of minutes of last meeting: no comment, no objections, minutes are approved
Laurent Domenech: TC Schedule
Laurent Domenech: April 1st meeting is cancelled
Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-124
Laurent Domenech: Anish sent version of 2 of proposal
Laurent Domenech: Mike notes that we don't have any requirement in the spec of WS-Policy, and it would be a thing to add
Laurent Domenech: Dave comments that the section must be read from a non SCA context and he is fine with that perspective
Laurent Domenech: Dave does not want to change anything in 5.1 but would like to clarify what it means in the context of a SCA runtime
Laurent Domenech: Anish mentions that 6.4 says that an SCA runtime claiming to support that protocol must be compliant with regard to WSCB service
Laurent Domenech: Anish is describing Eric's comments
Simon Holdsworth: Eric's comments and Anish's responses in email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201003/msg00066.html
Laurent Domenech: Simon proposes a non normative statement in section 5 that would describe what a non SCA runtime can do
Laurent Domenech: Anish notes that some extra meta data (WSDL, policy, ...) will be exchanged in order to implement the non SCA runtime that would be enough to determine SOAP version
Laurent Domenech: Anish answer for the HTTP/HTTPS comment from Eric is the same than for SOAP version
anish: The WSCallback policy assertion indicates that the Web service client and the Web service MUST use SCA Web Services Callback Protocol to implement callbacks.
anish: so it would be:
anish: The WSCallback policy assertion indicates that the Web service Callback client and the Web service Callback service MUST use SCA Web Services Callback Protocol to implement callbacks.
Laurent Domenech: Anish notes that implementing the WSCB protocol is orthogonal to understanding WS-policy, a non SCA client could implement the protocol without understanding WS-policy
anish: The WSCallback policy assertion indicates that the WSCB Client and the WSCB Service MUST use SCA Web Services Callback Protocol to implement callbacks.
Laurent Domenech: [Simon] As part of resolution of 124, the normative statement must be fixed
anish: for BWS50010
Laurent Domenech: [Anish] The policy assertion will be available through an attachment to the WSDL or WS-mex
Laurent Domenech: [Anish] BWS50013 is not for the client but for the WSDL
Laurent Domenech: [Anish] BWS50014 applies to the document the policy is attached to
Laurent Domenech: [Simon] what are the next steps? New proposal?
Laurent Domenech: [Anish] we need new issues raised for the comment about BWS50013 and BWS50014
Laurent Domenech: [Anish] a new explanatory text for the proposal and editorial changes
Laurent Domenech: [Anish] moves to resolve BINDINGS-124 with V2 of the proposal with the following changes
anish: The WSCallback policy assertion indicates that the WSCB Client and the WSCB Service MUST use SCA Web Services Callback Protocol to implement callbacks.
anish: I'll move to resolve issue 124 with the v2 proposal that I sent out + replace BWS5010 with "The WSCallback policy assertion indicates that the WSCB Client and the WSCB Service MUST use SCA Web Services Callback Protocol to implement callbacks." + open a new issue on targets for policy assertion + new ed. AIs to fix Eric's ed issues and Dave's issue
Laurent Domenech: Martin seconds
Laurent Domenech: No discussions, no objections, issue 124 is resolved
Laurent Domenech: 2 editorial action items for Eric editorial issues and Dave issue
Laurent Domenech: action items for Anish
Laurent Domenech: Dave will provide help for those action items
Laurent Domenech: Next call in two weeks


Laurent Domenech
Tibco Software