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Subject: raw chat log 8th apr 2010
Simon Holdsworth: Audio conference: Meeting Number: * 913929 * (press * before and after the digits) Phone numbers: Austria = Vienna 026822056419 Belgium = Brussels 022901709 China = Beijing 01052237296 Czech Republic = Prague 239014054 Denmark = Copenhagen 32714982 France = Lyon 0426840196 Marseille 0488915310 Paris 0170994364 France TollFree = 0800944795 Germany = Berlin 030726167296 Dusseldorf 021154073845 Frankfurt 069710445413 Hamburg 040809020620 Munich 089244432767 Stuttgart 0711490813212 Germany TollFree = 08006646304 India = Mumbai 02261501417 Ireland = Dublin 014367612 Italy = Milan 0230413007 Rome 06452108288 Turin 01121792100 Japan = Tokyo 0357675037 Netherlands = Amsterdam 0207965349 Poland Toll-free = 008001213648 Portugal Toll Free = 800782079 Russia = Moscow 84999222481 Russia Toll Free = 81080022074011 South Africa Toll-free = 0800982617 Spain = Barcelona 934923140 Madrid 917889793 Sweden = Stockholm 0850520404 Switzerland = Geneva 0225927186 UAE Toll-free = 8000440387 UK = Birmingham 01212604587 London 02071542988 Manchester 01612500379 UK Toll Free = 08003581667 USA = 19543344789 USA & Canada Toll Free = 18665289390 Simon Holdsworth: Agenda Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening Introductions Roll call Scribe assignment Top of the scribe list: Plamen Pavlov SAP AG Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. Bryan Aupperle IBM Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation David Booz IBM Laurent Domenech TIBCO Software Inc. Agenda bashing 2. Approval of the minutes from 25th March: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37096/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202010-03-25.doc 3. Actions 20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding use cases 20090709-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding schema appendix title to include 1.1 20100325-1 [Editors] Update the WS binding spec for editorial comments related to resolution of BINDINGS-124 from email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201003/msg00066.html 20100325-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding spec for editorial comments related to resolution of BINDINGS-124 from email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201003/msg00068.html 4. New Issues http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-126 binding.ws should REQUIRE support for WS-Policy 5. Discuss proposed TC schedule Updated following discussion on call of 4th March Consider date by which open issues are to be closed or deferred; also consider raising open vote to 2/3. 8th April: cd vote on bindings specs and TA documents; discuss production of test case documents/test cases; submit cd04 of bindings specs for second public review; 15th April: Initial test case documents and test cases prepared for discussion/review 29th April: Test cases complete 6th May: Submit cd01 of TA documents and test cases for public review 6. CD review/vote 7. Open issue discussion http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-111 binding.jms uses JMS URI scheme even though it is not a valid IETF internet draft Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Unassigned Priority: Unassigned Status: Pending response from Oracle with respect to approval of the IETF draft http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-60 JMS Default wire format insufficient to cover real world usage Raiser: Mike Edwards, owner: Simon Holdsworth Priority: 3 (deferred) Status: outline proposal in issue 8. AOB Dave Booz: Has the call been started? Simon Holdsworth: yes Dave Booz: ok, i'll redial MartinC: Scribe: MartinC MartinC: Topic: Agenda MartinC: Approved as posted MartinC: Topic: Approval of the minutes from 25th March: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37096/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202010-03-25.doc MartinC: Approved with out objection MartinC: topic: Action Items MartinC: 20090709-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding schema appendix title to include 1.1 MartinC: pending MartinC: 20100325-1 [Editors] Update the WS binding spec for editorial comments related to resolution of BINDINGS-124 from email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201003/msg00066.html 20100325-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding spec for editorial comments related to resolution of BINDINGS-124 from email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201003/msg00068.html MartinC: 20100325-1 [Editors] Update the WS binding spec for editorial comments related to resolution of BINDINGS-124 from email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201003/msg00066.html 20100325-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding spec for editorial comments related to resolution of BINDINGS-124 from email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201003/msg00068.html MartinC: Both are done MartinC: topic: New Issues MartinC: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-126 binding.ws should REQUIRE support for WS-Policy MartinC: Mike E introduces the issue. MartinC: Martin: why is this not a job of SCA -policy? MartinC: Mike E: sca policy is agnostic to policy language, and ws-policy is relevant to WS bindings MartinC: Anish: this will require all sca runtimes to support ws-policy as per currently worded conformance. MartinC: Ashok: is not the only policy language? MartinC: Mike E: no, but the one that is required to be supported. MartinC: Eric: we would have to reconcile wsdl policy statements with intents, which looks like a hard problem to solve. Would these have to be put into the wsdl that gets generated? anish: isn't this is more general sca policy question? MartinC: Mike E: relevant concerns, but those concerns exist whether ws-policy is REQUIRED or not MartinC: Mike E: this is about requiring ws-policy language to be supported, not necessarily about the contents of what is expressed. MartinC: Eric: this might be hard to test! anish: this is sort of like this TC. the official business language for this TC is english. Assertions made by individuals like 'you owe me $100' may not be acceptable to everyone, but still having an official language and requiring that everybody that comes to the table understand that is still necessary MartinC: Anish: requiring ws-policy to be recognized is an important first step. anish: light-weight v. portability/interop. Can't have both. Perhaps profiles is the answer, if you want to maintain both these qualities MartinC: Tom: is it ony about supporting the languange and not specific policies? MartinC: Mike E: correct. MartinC: Mike E moves to open issue 126, 2nd Dave MartinC: Eric: this is probably overspecifying things MartinC: Eric objects to unanimous consent so counted vote. MartinC: 9 yes, 2 abstain, motion carries, 126 is openned MartinC: topic: Discuss proposed TC schedule MartinC: Binding spec documents are ready MartinC: Follow the same approach as other SCA TCs MartinC: Test assertions are done and up to date. MartinC: Mike E happy to contribute to a ws bingings test suite, and enourgaes the same approach as used in the Assembly TC. MartinC: Any other volunteers to assist in the production of the test cases? MartinC: Any other volunteers to assist in the production of the test cases? Mike Edwards: TestSuite document for Assembly test suite: Mike Edwards: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly-testing/download.php/33771/sca-assembly-1.1-testcases-cd01.odt MartinC: Simon: this might not be about sca-sca testing - esp if negative/malformed testing, as this would require an sca runtime to be badly behaved! MartinC: Mike E: might need test like this, especially for callback MartinC: Mike E: this would be testing a non-sca with an sca MartinC: simon: as long as we can use a non sca test to generate/receive messages then we can build tests. MartinC: Discussion about jax-ws as a non-sca mechanism to test against sca MartinC: Simon: need to put some thought into this! MartinC: topic: cd review/vote MartinC: Simon: thoughts on approving CD and another PR? MartinC: Martin: Isn't it better to resolve the new issue about ws-policy before going to next PR? MartinC: s/next PR/next PR of ws bindings/ MartinC: general agreement that we need to resolve 126 before the next PR, but this only affects bindings.ws MartinC: JMS and JCA have been available and no significant issues are outstanding. MartinC: The TC needs to review these two and validate the application of resolved issues. MartinC: To clarify, these would be the second PR for all specifications. MartinC: Mike E: remebers one issue from assembly that needs fixing in all bindings schemas. There is s problem with extensibility and upa. MartinC shouldnt Mike e raise an issue? MartinC: Mike E will raise an issues against each of the binding specs, and hopes the same solution be followed as in assembly. MartinC: All three binding specs will probably be affected. MartinC: Action Item: Mike E to raise 3 issues, one for each spec, regarding schema upa issues. MartinC: Simon: not much point doing any cd vot until the upa and the ws-policy issues are resolved. MartinC: s/vot/vote/ MartinC: Bryan: will the namespace have to be revised? MartinC: Anish: the UPA fix and the epr change are a breaking change MartinC: s/are/will probably be/ MartinC: Bryan: and namespace rev wouldnt necessarily trigger another public review across the family of specs Bryan Aupperle: I really hope not... MartinC: topic: issue 111 MartinC: No update on the URI scheme issue. Ashok will bug Jeff M again! MartinC: topic: AOB MartinC: stragglers MartinC: meeting closed
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