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[12:00] Simon Holdsworth: Audio conference: Meeting Number: * 913929 * (press * before and after the digits) Phone numbers: Austria = Vienna 026822056419 Belgium = Brussels 022901709 China = Beijing 01052237296 Czech Republic = Prague 239014054 Denmark = Copenhagen 32714982 France = Lyon 0426840196 Marseille 0488915310 Paris 0170994364 France TollFree = 0800944795 Germany = Berlin 030726167296 Dusseldorf 021154073845 Frankfurt 069710445413 Hamburg 040809020620 Munich 089244432767 Stuttgart 0711490813212 Germany TollFree = 08006646304 India = Mumbai 02261501417 Ireland = Dublin 014367612 Italy = Milan 0230413007 Rome 06452108288 Turin 01121792100 Japan = Tokyo 0357675037 Netherlands = Amsterdam 0207965349 Poland Toll-free = 008001213648 Portugal Toll Free = 800782079 Russia = Moscow 84999222481 Russia Toll Free = 81080022074011 South Africa Toll-free = 0800982617 Spain = Barcelona 934923140 Madrid 917889793 Sweden = Stockholm 0850520404 Switzerland = Geneva 0225927186 UAE Toll-free = 8000440387 UK = Birmingham 01212604587 London 02071542988 Manchester 01612500379 UK Toll Free = 08003581667 USA = 19543344789 USA & Canada Toll Free = 18665289390
[12:00] Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening Introductions Roll call Scribe assignment Top of the scribe list: Plamen Pavlov SAP AG Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation Laurent Domenech TIBCO Software Inc. David Booz IBM Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation Bryan Aupperle IBM Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited Ant Elder IBM Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. Agenda bashing 2. Approval of the minutes from 30 September: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/39626/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202010-09-30.doc 3. Actions 20100819-2 [Editors] Fix schema in JMS binding spec to agree with the machine readable schema xsd file (for BINDINGS-136/137). 20100930-1 [Simon Holdsworth] Make sure that assertions with "shoulds" don't have a mandatory test assertion, but "preferred". 20100930-2 [Ant Elder] Ant to look at Simon's email review of JMS test cases to see whether any changes are required 4. New Issues No new issues Re-open issue BINDINGS-136: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-136 JMS Binding operationProperties headers element should be optional 5. JMS Binding TA/Test case CD vote TA document: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/39518/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd07.doc http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/39519/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd07.pdf Test case document: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/39383/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-testcases-wd02.odt http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/39384/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-testcases-wd02.pdf Test cases available at: http://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/svn/sca-bindings/TestCases_BJM 6. Web service binding status PR now complete for test assertions/testcases, no pending updates to any WS binding specs. Discuss next step in the process for these documents. 7. HTTP binding use cases Continue discussion of HTTP binding use cases, and next steps. Latest email contains a set of use cases based on the discussion so far, for review and comment. Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201009/msg00030.html 8. Open issue discussion No open issues. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-60 JMS Default wire format insufficient to cover real world usage Raiser: Mike Edwards, owner: Simon Holdsworth Priority: 3 (deferred) Status: outline proposal in issue 9. AOB
[12:03] MartinC: that was me trying to squeak
[12:05] Bryan Aupperle: Scribe: Bryan Aupperle
[12:06] Bryan Aupperle: Attendance is 8 of 12 - 67%
[12:06] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Agenda Bashing
[12:06] Bryan Aupperle: Agenda agreed
[12:06] Bryan Aupperle: Topic Approval of Minutes
[12:06] Bryan Aupperle: No comments
[12:07] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Minutes approved w/o
[12:07] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Action Items
[12:07] Bryan Aupperle: 20100819-2 - We need to reconsider Issue 136 before this can be addressed
[12:08] Bryan Aupperle: All others are still pending
[12:08] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: BINDINGS-136: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-136 JMS Binding operationProperties headers element should be optional
[12:09] Simon Holdsworth: My email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201010/msg00023.html
[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: Simon reviews issues and why it needs to be reopened.
[12:11] Mike Edwards: +1 from me for reopening
[12:12] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Anish, second Mike - Reopen Bindings 136.
[12:12] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Motions passes w/o
[12:13] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: proposed resolution is to add a minoccurs=0 to the headers element.
[12:13] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Anish, second Mike - Resolve Bindings 136 with proposal in JIRA
[12:14] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Motion passes w/o
[12:14] Bryan Aupperle: That is last issue to be applied to JMS spec. Simon to post updated draft.
[12:16] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: JMS Test Suite CD Vote
[12:17] Simon Holdsworth: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201010/msg00038.html
[12:17] Bryan Aupperle: Updates have been made since last week in response to Simon's comments.
[12:17] Bryan Aupperle: There are still some changes that remain to be made.
[12:18] Bryan Aupperle: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/email/archives/201010/msg00038.html
[12:19] Bryan Aupperle: Discussion about if we are creating too many tests.
[12:21] Bryan Aupperle: Discussion of comments not yet addressed.
[12:23] Bryan Aupperle: BJM_30019_TestCase - Can a runtime actually make this check.
[12:23] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Seems like not in a standard way.
[12:24] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: That is why I stated this is one testable.
[12:24] Bryan Aupperle: s/testable/untestable/
[12:24] Bryan Aupperle: BJM_30024_1/2/3/4_TestCase
[12:25] Bryan Aupperle: Ant: Do we need to test all the combinations?
[12:26] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Probably is overkill to test the various combinations.
[12:26] Bryan Aupperle: BJM_30024/5_TestCase
[12:27] Bryan Aupperle: Ant: Do we need to test both service and reference bindings? Doing so would add a number of tests.
[12:27] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Probably so, code is often different on services and references.
[12:28] Bryan Aupperle: Ant: Would add about 10 more tests.
[12:29] Bryan Aupperle: BJM_30024/5_TestCase
[12:29] Bryan Aupperle: Ant: This is already a positive test - Comment is not clear.
[12:31] Bryan Aupperle: Actually BJM_40009_TestCase
[12:31] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: I would expect parallel tests to BJM_40004_TestCase
[12:32] Bryan Aupperle: Ant: So we need to add a negative test.
[12:32] Bryan Aupperle: BJM_50002_TestCase
[12:32] Bryan Aupperle: Ant: Again comment is not clear.
[12:33] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: A negative test would be to have a JMS binding type without a JMS in the always provides list.
[12:34] Bryan Aupperle: BJM_60006_TestCase
[12:35] Bryan Aupperle: Ant: How to test for using unique destinations?
[12:35] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Probably not testable.
[12:36] Bryan Aupperle: BJM_60010_TestCase
[12:36] Bryan Aupperle: Ant: Seems like duplication in tests
[12:36] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: So raises the question if the normative statement adds anything
[12:37] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: No need for duplicate tests.
[12:37] Bryan Aupperle: BJM-TA-60018
[12:37] Bryan Aupperle: Ant: Do we need to duplicate tests for callbacks?
[12:38] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Rules are do not explicitly state they apply to callbacks, but they in reality do.
[12:38] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Need tests since there could be a different code path.
[12:39] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Perhaps select a few to verify basic behavior.
[12:40] Bryan Aupperle: Ant: Is section 6.4 the correct section - It is already about callbacks?. Perhaps 6.1 and 6.2?
[12:42] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Actually for the normative statement, there is nothing to test.
[12:43] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: This needs a bit more thought.
[12:47] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: WS Binding
[12:47] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Public Review of Test Suite is complete with no pending updates.
[12:48] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: We are hoping to get a minimum set of 1.1 specs ready to CS as at once.
[12:50] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: No changes to any docs since last CD.
[12:51] Bryan Aupperle: AI (Simon): Validate no changes since last spec CD.
[12:53] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: AOB
[12:54] Bryan Aupperle: Straggler Role
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