Raw minutes for today

[12:00] Simon Holdsworth: Participant Code: 7059536 

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[12:00] Simon Holdsworth: Agenda

[12:00] Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening 

Introductions 

Scribe assignment 

Top of the scribe list: 

Plamen Pavlov SAP AG 
Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited 
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation 
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation 
Bryan Aupperle IBM 
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation 
Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. 

Agenda bashing 

2. Approval of the minutes from 23 June: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/42676/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202011-06-23.doc 

3. Actions 

No actions 

4. New Issues 

No new issues 

5. Open Issues 

No open issues 

6. CSD Votes 

JMS Binding spec: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/42252/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-csprd03-rev1.pdf 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/42251/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-csprd03-rev1.doc 

JMS Binding testcases: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/42305/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-testcases-csd01-rev4.pdf 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/42304/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-testcases-csd01-rev4.odt 

JMS Binding testcases ZIP file: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/41692/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-testcases-csd01.zip 
(Note no change to testcase implementation since last PR) 

WS Binding Spec: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/42659/sca-wsbinding-1.1-spec-wd041.doc 

WS Binding testcases: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/42678/sca-wsbinding-1.1-testcases-wd06.odt 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/42679/sca-wsbinding-1.1-testcases-wd06.pdf 

WS Binding testcase artefacts: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/39849/sca-wsbinding-1.1-testcases-cd01-rev1.zip 

7. TC Exit criteria 

Discuss formal exit criteria for the 1.1 specifications for Web services and JMS. 

Initial proposed exit criteria: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201106/msg00052.html 

Further proposal in minutes from 23 June linked above 

Most recent email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201106/msg00067.html 

8. AOB

[12:05] Bryan Aupperle: Scribe: Bryan Aupperle

[12:06] Bryan Aupperle: Meeting is quorate (6 of

[12:06] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Approval of Minutes

[12:06] Bryan Aupperle: No comments

[12:06] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Minutes approved

[12:07] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: CSD Votes

[12:08] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: No changes to any of the test case implementations

[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: Bryan: Any schema changes?

[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: No

[12:12] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Bryan, second Anish - Accept CSDPRD03-rev1 of the JMS binding spec as CSD4

[12:12] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Motion passes

[12:16] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: We have to have a single file to approve as a CSD, i.e. We have to a single zip containing both the testcases document and the test cases zip.

[12:22] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Bryan, second Anish - Accept WD041 of the Web Services binding spec as CSD5

[12:23] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Motion passes w/o

[12:34] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: Should we be approving a version with all the changes accepted?

[12:37] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: That may force some editing to test case documents because cross references and sections being removed resulting in ToC changes.

[12:38] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: So we should do the editorial work before voting CSDs.

[12:38] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: Does this apply to the specs as well?

[12:38] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Yes

[12:39] Bryan Aupperle: AI: (Editors) produce updated versions of all documents with all changes accepted.

[12:39] anish: nice

[12:40] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: The JMS URI scheme is now a RFC.

[12:40] Simon Holdsworth: [IETFJMS]M. Phillips, P. Adams, D. Rokicki, E. Johnson, URI Scheme for Java Message Service 1.0 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-merrick-jms-uri-12, IETF Internet-Draft January 20, 2011, pending publication of final approved version

[12:40] anish eric, does that mean you can turn off your cron reminder job

[12:41] Eric Johnson yes.

[12:42] Bryan Aupperle: AI: (Eric) Raise issue to update the JMS URI scheme reference.

[12:42] Bryan Aupperle: We will revisit both specs next meeting.

[12:43] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Exit Criteria

[12:44] Simon Holdsworth: Most recent proposal was:

[12:44] Simon Holdsworth: The Concrete Exit Criteria for the SCA JMS Binding V1.1 specification are that:
1) there shall be at least 2 independent SCA runtimes each of which are compliant with all normative portions of the specification as described in Section 8.2 of the SCA JMS Binding V1.1 specification. 
2) each implementation should provide evidence of interop/portability, as appropriate. Passing the testsuite is considered sufficient to satisfy this criterion.

[12:46] Simon Holdsworth: The Concrete Exit Criteria for the SCA JMS Binding V1.1 specification are that there shall be at least 2 independent SCA runtimes, each of which are compliant with all normative portions of the specification as described in Section 8.2 of the SCA JMS Binding V1.1 specification, and each of which demonstrates interoperability and portability as appropriate."

[12:47] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: The second statement in the above proposal seems more like it is directed to SCA runtime developers than the TC itself.  And it is the TC that is the exit criteria applies to.

[12:50] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: Does anyone disagree that passing the test suite would be viewed as evidence of a runtime satisfactorily conforming to the spec and demonstrating portability/interop?

[12:51] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: I specifically said sufficient and not necessary evidence.

[12:52] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Would this bind us to accepting passing the test suite as meaning an implementation is conformance?

[12:53] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: We are always able to evaluate additional information if/when it becomes available.

[12:57] anish: The Concrete Exit Criteria for the SCA JMS Binding V1.1 specification are that:
1) there shall be at least 2 independent SCA runtimes each of which are compliant with all normative portions of the specification as described in Section 8.2 of the SCA JMS Binding V1.1 specification. 
2) each implementation should provide evidence of interop/portability, as appropriate. Passing the testsuite is considered sufficient to satisfy this criterion.

[12:57] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Anish, second Ashok - Accept text immediately above in the chat log as the exit criteria

[12:58] Bryan Aupperle: for the JMS binding 1.1 specification

[12:59] anish ping

[13:00] Bryan Aupperle: Motion fails ( 2 yes, 2 no, 1 abstain)

[13:02] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: AOB

[13:02] Bryan Aupperle: Next week may not be quorate due to US Holiday neext meeting in two weeks.

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