Re: [sca-bindings] Recent SCA interest

Hi,

Some questions have been raised about market interest in SCA. I would like to share our experiences.

In the past several years, I have worked on a hugh government project that uses SCA for a highly-available tax processing system. The system also uses a very large Oracle RAC installation for data availability. The success of the project has been a direct result of capabilities provided by SCA. Without them, the project would have taken much longer and been a lot more complex, making it more likely to fail.

Here are some of the SCA features that we have found invaluable:

1. Web Services and security policy.

The tax processing system connects to many legacy systems that are accessed using secure web services (WS-*). The SCA Web Services binding and capability to define security policy resulted in our application being able to connect to those systems without having to write complex Java code. We have tried JAX-WS and .NET for other applications and SCA was much easier and simpler to use. We also completed our tasks in record time.

2. Asynchronous services with callbacks.

The legacy systems are often very slow and offline for maintenance (some are mainframe). We did not want to tie up application threads waiting for responses since this would not scale. As a solution, we used SCA asynchronous services with callbacks. This has made our application very performant and able to handle latencies efficiently. While .NET has a callback feature (duplex services), I am not aware of one provided by a Java standard without having to write custom application code. Without callbacks, would have had to develop a solution ourselves.

3. Modularity

The application uses SCA composition (promotion) and OSGi integration for modularity. The module that connects to the legacy systems is an SCA composite that composes a number of services. After a year, we created another implementation of the composite that has different logic and connects to an ESB instead of the legacy systems. Modularity was so successful that we did not have to modify any other parts of the system when we made the switch. We are also able to switch implementations at deployment. Without composites, we would not have this modularity.

4. Wire re-injection

Part of the application is a rules engine we implemented using SCA Java components. Rules are services that are wired to the engine. An important business requirement is that tax rules can be updated without taking the system down. We do this by relying on re-injection and deploying new composites with additional rules.

5. Custom bindings

The tax system receives requests and publishes responses as files over a highly available geographically distributed SAN. We use SCA's feature to create a custom file binding to handle this. I am not aware of any other standard that specifies custom communications extensions.

Wolfgang

2013/7/12 Eric Johnson <eric@tibco.com>

Hi Jeff,

On 7/12/13 1:11 PM, Jeff Mischkinsky wrote:
yeah, but if it doesn't CONFORM, i.e. meet ALL the conformance requirements as set out in the spec(s), then its not SCA, it's something that is maybe kind of like SCA --
  I haven't looked at this specific project to know how close it comes to conforming, just making a general comment about the confusion created when someone say they have implemented part of a spec, and somehow that means that there is now an implementation of that spec.
So? It doesn't conform? It doesn't conform to what - oh, that's right, its an as-yet-to-be-completed standard.

The implied question that Jim answered was whether there was any interest in the set of specifications, not the question you're answering. You've argued on the phone that the exit criteria specified were a minimum. OK, an allowable position. Jim is noting that more than the minimum has been achieved. And you continue to do try to disqualify his evidence by various means - in this case by trying to change the question. Color me not impressed.
note: i'm just not being pedantic here. If you carefully read the IPR policy, the IPR protections ONLY kick in for implementations of the complete spec(s), as defined by the conformance clauses. An IPR holder is not required to grant licenses/non-asserts to an implementation that does not conform.
As one possible way to change the situation, we could adjust specification and the conformance clauses, for example, making it possible to conform to assembly without requiring all of bindings, implementation types or policy, and therefore make it easier for more products to conform to the individual parts of the SCA suite. Unfortunately, the opportunities we've given for Oracle TC members to step forward and suggest alternate paths forward have yielded no options from Oracle participants.

Thus, I conclude that the actions of the TC members from Oracle all point in the direction of Oracle having made a business decision to keep SCA from ever becoming a standard. Based on statements made, Oracle has concluded the market has moved on. We could - instead - let the market decide.

As I've said before, I will be alerting my company that Oracle's behavior with the SCA standards has been nothing short of toxic, and will be advising that we stay away from any further standards involvement with Oracle, unless we feel that possible toxicity can be neutralized.

Eric.
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