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Subject: Re: [sca-bindings] Do we really need a call on Thursday?

Given Jim's request and the short notice I'm going ahead with today's call.

I do however agree with the point that if the only thing we have on the agenda is to approve the previous minutes and check on whether an action item is complete, that's not a great use of 10 or so people's time.  If that's the case I'd suggest that after today's call we hold off scheduling the following call until we have specific TC business, e.g. agreeing the CSD request for the updated testcase package.

My personal feeling at this stage on the topic of new binding specifications, is that there is sufficient extensibility in the existing specs to support new bindings.  While it may be valuable to document them, I can't see there being sufficient interest/energy in the TC to go through the review/standardisation process - however of course that's up to the TC membership. There is nothing to stop you submitting a draft binding specification to the TC.  There's an HTTP binding specification [1] which I submitted to the TC in 2008 (!) [2] which has attracted no interest at all.  

[1] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/30138/sca-binding-http-1.1-spec-wd01.doc
[2] https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200810/msg00078.html

Regards, Simon

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From:        Jim Marino <jim.marino@gmail.com>
To:        Anish Karmarkar <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>,
Cc:        "sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org" <sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org>
Date:        22/08/2013 09:03
Subject:        Re: [sca-bindings] Do we really need a call on Thursday?
Sent by:        <sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org>

I think it is worthwhile to have a meeting. I'm sorry you disagree. 

I need to discuss progress on the test cases as well as have specific technical questions regarding the JMS binding testcases and conformance. 

In addition I would like to discuss adding specifications for additional bindings including MQTT and AMQP.

These issues are best discussed verbally rather than over email. 


On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Anish Karmarkar wrote:

On 8/21/13 7:09 AM, Jim Marino wrote:
We still have issues with the test cases and I have a few questions
regarding JMS.

Since no one from Oracle is on the critical path for these issues, feel
free to skip the meeting.

That's not very helpful. We are all of course free to skip any call we don't want to attend or can't attend.

The issue that is being discussed is whether we need a call at all. Is there anything to discuss? That is what is being asked here. The chair replied [1] by saying that he is open to canceling if there is nothing to discuss; explicitly asking for updates from those that have AIs. There has been no response on that.

If you look at the last two calls [2], [3] nothing happened on those calls. This week's agenda [4] has nothing for us to discuss unless there is an update on the AIs. There has been no ML activity on this.

You mention that you have some questions regarding JMS. What are they? It would be helpful if these are sent on email first. This is not on the agenda for this week either. Do those JMS-related questions require a call, or is it sufficient to address them on email? I don't want to have calls unless there are concrete agenda items to discuss.




On Wednesday, August 21, 2013, Ashok Malhotra wrote:

    Why, Jim?  We have no business to conduct.  Waste of time.
    All the best, Ashok
    On 8/21/2013 9:34 AM, Jim Marino wrote:

    I think we should have the meeting.


    On Monday, August 19, 2013, Ashok Malhotra wrote:

        If there is no business, we should cancel.
        All of us have other things to do.
        All the best, Ashok

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