[sca-bpel] Raw chat room contents for SCA-BPEL TC meeting of 2007-10-04

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Meeting ID: 877770

Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735)

 

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Najeeb Andrabi: 12 out of 19 voting members present.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: SCA-BPEL Weekly meeting has been modified by Mr Sanjay Patil

 

Date:  Thursday, 04 October 2007

Time:  08:00am - 09:00am PT

 

Event Description:

Dial-in:

1-888-967-2253

+1-650-607-2253

+61-2-8817-6100

+44-118-924-9000

 

Meeting ID: 877770

Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735)

 

Web-conf: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/sca-bpel-TC

 

Acrobat connect room URL: http://my.adobe.acrobat.com/scabpel/

 

Agenda:

1. Roll Call

    http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php

 

2. Appointment of scribe

    List attached below

 

3. Agenda bashing

 

4. Approval of minutes from previous meeting(s)

    Raw chat room contents: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00051.html

 

5. Action items

    http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/action_items.php

    a> #0006

     Michael Rowley:  Check whether Bob will do formatting of meeting minutes even for TCs he isn't on

    b> #0007

     Ivana Trickovic:  Raise an issue about the version number of the final spec

  

6. Issues Management

  a> Process proposal

      Issues Editor to respond to the mailing list after entering new issues in JIRA

      Email announcing newly created issue to use a subject line of ISSUE ###:

     The user field for the new issue be the submitter of that issue

  b> Cross linking between JIRA and TC Home Page

  c> Confirmation to OASIS staff that all editors have r/w access

  d> Assignment for JIRA roles (Administrator and Project Lead)

  e> Status update from Issues Editor

 

7.  Specification Development

   a> Update from Spec Editors

   b> Add Conformance section as required by the OASIS TC Process

       http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#s2.18

 

8. New Issues

 

a. support for BPEL4WS 1.1

(from Martin Chapman)

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00025.html

 

b. Does the spec allow a componentType side file?

(from Anish Karmarkar)

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00026.html

 

c. Correlation disagreement between SCA and BPEL (from Najeeb Andrabi) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00027.html

 

d. Title of the resulting spec shouldn't be confusing (from Danny van der Rijn) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00028.html

 

e. The algorithm for deciding whether a partnerLinkis a service or a reference needs to be deterministic (from Danny van der Rijn) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00029.html

 

f. Make local partnerLink aliases deterministic (from Danny van der Rijn) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00030.html

 

g. Apply Editing Action Items 0001 - 0003 (from Dieter ) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00052.html

 

9. Issue Discussion

   Select some of the newly opened issues for discussion

 

10. AOB

 

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Rotating scribe list:

 

* Pellegrini, Mr Michael; Active Endpoints, Inc.

* Trickovic, Mrs Ivana; SAP AG

* van der Rijn, Danny; TIBCO Software Inc.

* Wenzel, Pete; Sun Microsystems

* Yiu, Mr Alex; Oracle Corporation

* Andrabi, Mr. Najeeb; TIBCO Software Inc.

* carter, fred; AmberPoint

* Durand, Mr Jacques; Fujitsu Limited

* Edwards, Dr. Mike; IBM

* Ford, Mr Mark; Active Endpoints, Inc.

* Genov, Mr. Genadi; SAP AG

* Guizar, Alejandro; Red Hat

* Kinner, Mr. Jason; Oracle Corporation

* Koenig, Mr Dieter; IBM

* Levinson, Rich; Oracle Corporation

* Little, Dr. Mark; Red Hat

* Malhotra, Mr Ashok; Oracle Corporation

* Martin, Ms Monica; Sun Microsystems

* Mischkinsky, Jeff; Oracle Corporation

* Moser, Mr Simon; IBM

* Chapman, Dr Martin; Oracle Corporation (9/7/07)

* Kand, Khanderao; Oracle Corporation (9/20/07)

* Rowley, Mr Michael; BEA Systems, Inc. (9/27/07)

 

Minutes:

 

 

This event is one in a list of recurring events.

Other event dates in this series:

 

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Najeeb Andrabi: Agenda approved.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Meeting attendance to needs to made public.

 

Michael Rowley: Mark Ford  Active Endpoints, Inc. 

Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc.

Jacques Durand Fujitsu Limited*

Mike Edwards IBM

Dieter Koenig IBM

Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation

Khanderao Kand Oracle Corporation

Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation

Rich Levinson Oracle Corporation

Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation

Jeff Mischkinsky Oracle Corporation

Alex Yiu Oracle Corporation

Sanjay Patil SAP AG*

Ivana Trickovic SAP AG*

Najeeb Andrabi TIBCO Software Inc.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: minutes of last meeting approved.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Bob to format minutes till an automated tool is approved.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: #0007 action item closed.

 

Michael Rowley: ISSUE 1 - This is the subject.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Alex Yiu: Issue number in jira is auto generated so user does not need to change it.

 

Alex Yiu: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-2

 

Alex Yiu: An example of issue that I entered into JIRA

 

Michael Rowley: RE: [sca-bpel] ISSUE 2 - Does the spec allow a componentType side file

 

Najeeb Andrabi: not to include the TC name in the subject

 

anish alex, can you include the public URL of the email that raised the issue in JIRA?

 

Najeeb Andrabi: ISSUE ####

 

Najeeb Andrabi: To include the public URL of the email that raised the issue.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Cross linking between JIRA and TC Home Page - done

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Anish and editor team to verify that everyone r/w access to JIRA?

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay Patil currently the lead for BPEL SCA Jira

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Anish to be the administrator.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Alex Yiu: Will add all the issues into Jira and send an e-mail to sca-bpel mailing list.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Mike E: Moved the motion to add conformance section to the working draft

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Anish seconds.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Discussion about the new issues

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Martic Chapman moved the motion to accept all new issues

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley seconds

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Martin

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: To allow discussion on new issues before accepting it.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: is ok to accept the issues without discussing it and discuss it in face to face meeting.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Khanderao: To discuss issues in conference call or by e-mails

 

Najeeb Andrabi: To discuss using e-mails requires electronic ballot.

 

Khanderao: s/To discuss/To accept/r

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Motion to accept issues a to g passed

 

anish lets close an issue in BPEL and beat bindings TC to be the 1st OpenCSA TC to close an issue

 

Mike Pellegrini joined

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: To close issue number e agenda number 8 with no action

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Alex Yiu: Danny is not present so we should not close the issue number (e)

 

Alex Yiu: Issue [E] is now Issue 5: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-5

 

Sanjay: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00028

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Discussion about issue (d).

 

Sanjay: sorry, the correct link is

 

Sanjay: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00028.html

 

Najeeb Andrabi: TARGET: SCA C+I WS-BPEL spec, General

 

DESCRIPTION: The title in the current Working Draft is "Service

Component Architecture Client and Implementation Model Specification for

WS-BPEL Version 2.0."  This can be misconstrued as being a specification

that deals with WS-BPEL 2.0, not  that it's a 2.0 spec for dealing with

WS-BPEL.

 

 

PROPOSAL: Liaise with the other TCs to come up with a format for the

title that will be acceptable to all, and not leave us with an ambiguity.

 

Martin C: siggested title:  SCA C+I BPEL, version 1.1

 

Dieter Koenig: how about "Service Component Architecture WS-BPEL Client and Implementation Model Specification Version 1.1"

 

Mike Edwards: Service Component Architecture WS-BPEL Client and Implementation Specification Version 1.1

 

Mike Edwards: I move

 

anish: seconded

 

Khanderao: Looks fine

 

Mike Edwards: yup

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Mike Edwards moved the motion to close issue (d) with "Service Component Architecture WS-BPEL Client and Implementation Specification Version 1.1"

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman seconded.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Motion is passed.

 

Mike Edwards: your wish is granted, Anish

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Issue (d) closed.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: 8 (d)

 

anish

 

anish now if we get all the TCs to be competitive, then we will close a lot of issues faster

 

anish another low hanging fruit is item #g

 

Michael Rowley puts on his running shoes.

 

Alex Yiu: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-4

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Issue (d) to be marked as resolved not closed.

 

anish

 

Khanderao: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00026.html

 

Sanjay: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00052.html

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Discussion about issue 8 (g).

 

Najeeb Andrabi: TARGET: SCA Client and Implementation Model Specification for WS-BPEL

 

 

DESCRIPTION: Apply Editing Action Items 0001 - 0003, as noted in the F2F

meeting:

 

#0001

Editors: Refer to assembly and policy spec in the related spec section.

Also, to add participants (TC) members list and the OSOA contributors list

in the Acknowledgement (page 16) section

 

#0002

Editors: Reference Section 1 (Page 2): Addition to reference element there

should be a service element

 

#0003

Editors: Update the syntax of Component in the introduction section to

align with assembly syntax

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Mike Edwards: It is not clear which part of the specification needs to be updated.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter knows about sections that need to updated for issue 8 (g).

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: Motion moved to mark the issue 8 (g) as resolved.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter seconds.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Motion passed.

 

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Najeeb Andrabi: Sanjay suggested to update the committee draft rather than working draft when committee draft is available.

 

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Danny van der Rijn11: aarg.  I had the time wrong in my calendar.  calling in now.

 

anish we do have a editors subcommittee

 

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Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter suggested using for word document.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: for editing.

 

Mike Edwards: open office?  

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Editors to use word for editing.

 

Najeeb Andrabi: Question about using pdf for editing to addressed later.