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Subject: [sca-bpel] Raw minutes from 2007-Oct-18 telcon
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Room information was updated by: Sanjay Dial-in: 1-888-967-2253 +1-650-607-2253 +61-2-8817-6100 +44-118-924-9000 Meeting ID: 877770 Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735) Michael Rowley: I'm sorry, but I will not be able to attend today's call. (Although I will be watching the chat room) Mike Edwards: That's a real piece of lurking, Mr Rowley Michael Rowley: And of course I do understand that it doesn't count as attending. Mike Pellegrini: No objections for agenda, agenda approved Mike Pellegrini: Approval of minutes for last weeks meeting postponed till next call Mike Pellegrini: Review of action items Mike Pellegrini: AI #008 Martin Chapman - Figure out how to go from resolved-later to resolved-fixed in JIRA. This affects all TCs and perhaps our issues process. Mike Pellegrini: AI #008 Closed Mike Edwards: Happy to send an email Mike Edwards: There is a PPT file with a diagram Mike Pellegrini: AI #009 Alex Yiu - Generate proposal for issue 6 Alex Yiu: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200710/msg00038.html Sanjay: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200710/msg00038.html Mike Pellegrini: Alex has already generated a proposal for issue 5 Mike Pellegrini: issue 6 anish mike are u saying that it is the same ppt (and hasn't changed) or is it a new ppt Mike Edwards: a new PPT Mike Pellegrini: AI #009 closed Mike Pellegrini: No administrative items to discuss anish thx mike anonymous morphed into Simon Moser Mike Pellegrini: On Agenda item #7. Specification Development Mike Pellegrini: No updates, most current updated is working draft 3 Mike Pellegrini: Guideline on this topic - http://docs.oasis-open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata03.html#version Mike Pellegrini: Danny made Motion to use the same guidelines as other oasis tc Mike Pellegrini: Martin secodns Mike Pellegrini: Motion accepted to use the guidelines proposed in OASIS Mike Pellegrini: New Issues Mike Pellegrini: Issue 11: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-11 TITLE: BPEL variable initialization and SCA properties SUBMITTED BY: Mark Ford Mike Pellegrini: Danny raised a issue that we need to be in line with WS-BPEL spec with regard to must/should understands when resolving this issue Dieter Koenig: WS-BPEL 2.0: "Extensions MUST NOT contradict the semantics of any element or attribute defined by the WS-BPEL specification." Mike Pellegrini: Issue 11 accepted as new issue Mike Pellegrini: Issue Discussion Mike Pellegrini: Issue 9 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-9 (if accepted by the TC) TITLE: SCA-BPEL XML Namespaces SUBMITTED BY: Dieter Koenig Mike Pellegrini: Exampls in the proposal Mike Pellegrini: Issue 6 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-6 TITLE: Make local partnerLink aliases deterministic SUBMITTED BY: Danny van der Rijn Additional emails: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00039.html Mike Pellegrini: SCA Assembly Model (to be verified) ==> http://docs.oasis-open.org/sca/1.1/assembly WS-BPEL 2.0 extensions for SCA ==> http://docs.oasis-open.org/sca/1.1/bpel/process Data element "serviceReferenceList" ==> http://docs.oasis-open.org/sca/1.1/bpel/types anish i'm wondering if we should postpone this issue till we have resolution on the other NS issue Mike Edwards: I would prefer an absolute proposal for each of the namespaces Mike Edwards: otherwise, we will only be revisiting this again Mike Edwards: That is fine as an action item for Sanjay Mike Edwards: take a position to the OpenCSA MS Mike Edwards: ugh Mike Pellegrini: Sanjay asks if the BPEL TC needs seperate namespace Mike Pellegrini: Anish motions have one or more seperate namespaces different than the common namespace Mike Pellegrini: separate Mike Pellegrini: Anish motions have one or more seperate namespaces in BPEL TC different than the common namespace Mike Pellegrini: Khanderao seconds Mike Edwards: ACTION Item for the Chair Mike Pellegrini: Motion carried Mike Edwards: Take this decision to the OpenCSA MS steering ctte Mike Pellegrini: New action item opened to commuicate this motion Mike Pellegrini: for the chairs Mike Pellegrini: Issue 6 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-6 TITLE: Make local partnerLink aliases deterministic SUBMITTED BY: Danny van der Rijn Additional emails: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00039.html anish: ACTION: chairs to take the NS decision to the OpenCSA MS SC Mike Edwards: Is there a writeup of the actual proposal somewhere? Mike Edwards: which email? Alex Yiu: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200710/msg00038.html Mike Edwards: not yet Alex Yiu: that is link to the proposal email Mike Edwards: for some reason, that link is not returning any data Mike Pellegrini: Original text under section 2.4: --------------------------- When these partnerLinks are exposed to SCA assembly, these partnerLinks will given aliases from "_orginalName_1" to "_orginalName_N" regardless of how partnerLink participate in SCA assembly (i.e. services vs references) If any "_orginalName_i" (where 1 <= i <= N) is already taken by existing partnerLink declaration in the process definition, additional underscore characters may be added at the beginning of the aliases to avoid collision. Mike Pellegrini: New text: --------------------------- When these partnerLinks are exposed to SCA assembly, these partnerLinks will given aliases from "_orginalName_1" to "_orginalName_N" regardless of how partnerLink participate in SCA assembly (i.e. services vs references) and the number suffixes are based on the document order of the corresponding partnerLink occurrence in the process definition. If any "_orginalName_i" (where 1 <= i <= N) is already taken by existing partnerLink declaration in the process definition, additional underscore characters may be added at the beginning of all aliases consistently to avoid collision. Mike Edwards: thx Mike Pellegrini: Discussion to change phrase "document order" to "lexical order" Mike Pellegrini: Alex motion to accept proposal #6 Mike Pellegrini: Ammendment to change document order to lexical order Mike Pellegrini: Mark makes motion to ammend issue #6 Mike Pellegrini: Mike P seconds motion Mike Pellegrini: Ammemded motion carried Mike Edwards: Issue becomes Resolved Mike Pellegrini: Issues #6 marked closed Mike Edwards: not "later" Mike Edwards: Editors should move it to "Applied" when they have put new text into the spec Mike Pellegrini: Issue 3 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-3 TITLE: Correlation disagreement between SCA and BPEL SUBMITTED BY: Najeeb Andrabi Additional emails: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00045.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00046.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00049.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00053.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00057.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00058.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00059.html Mike Edwards: is there a proposal? anish: it is safe to say that bpel spec is not going to change anish: iirc, bpel tc has closed Mike Edwards: Do we in the SCA BPEL TC mandate some specific behaviour ? Mike Edwards: assuming no changes in BPEL 2.0 spec Mike Edwards: So, for example, we could demand that some particular Fault is transmitted back to the client Khanderao: There is no TC constituted for next version of WS-BPEL. The last standardization took 3 years. Also considering different flavours of implementation, I do not think that any new specification would resolve the dead letter issue in intended way proposed by Najib. Also our TC's scope should be limited to published versions of specifications only Mike Edwards: right - but we can still demand a particular behaviour as part of the SCA - BPEL integration Khanderao: we can still demand a particular behaviour ": I am not sure. Atleast, it should not be in conflict with published BPEL specifications. Mike Edwards: if the specs are silent - how can we be in conflict Mike Edwards: ? Khanderao: Good point. Alex Yiu: The point is not about making conflict. Najeeb Andrabi: Conflict is that SCA correlates and BPEL timesout. Mike Edwards: right, but is there anything that prevents us from laying down a behaviour Mike Edwards: ??? anish we are out of time Mike Edwards: BONG Mike Edwards: Sanjay: yes. we should stop now. anish Alex Yiu: Mike Pellegrini: ACTION: Najeeb to take write-up proposal for issue #3 Mike Pellegrini: Issue #3 remains open
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