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Subject: Formated minutes of 2008-07-31 telcon


Attached.
Thanks to Dieter for scribing.

-Anish
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Title: SCA-BPEL - 2008-07-31

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OASIS SCA-BPEL TC telcon

31 JUL 2008

Attendees

Present
Mike Rowley, (Active Endpoints, Inc.)
David Booz, (IBM)
Mike Edwards, (IBM)
Dieter Koenig, (IBM)
Martin Chapman (Oracle Corporation)
Anish Karmarkar, (Oracle Corporation)
Ashok Malhotra, (Oracle Corporation)
Najeeb Andrabi, (TIBCO Software Inc.)
Danny van der Rijn, (TIBCO Software Inc.)
Chair
Sanjay Patil
Scribe
Dieter Koenig
Agenda:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200807/msg00037.html

Contents

Topics
[1]  Agenda bashing
[2]  Approval of July 24 minutes ...
[3]  Review of open action items ...
[4]  higher bar for new issues ...
[5]  Issue 18
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items

Action Items

New:

Resolutions


Minutes

Scribe: Dieter Koenig

<Sanjay>
Agenda -
1. Roll Call
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php
2. Appointment of scribe
Scribe list attached below
3. Agenda bashing
4. Approval of July 24, 2008 minutes
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200807/msg00031.html
5. Action items review
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/action_items.php
a) AI #0021
Chairs - to follow up with Mary to post the CD docs to OASIS repository
Done. Docs uploaded but SCA BPEL NS is not live yet.
b) AI #0042
Editors to incorporate all issue resolutions by 10 July 2008
6. Higher bar for new issues
7. Issue 18 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-18
TITLE- Need to rewrite the SCA-BPEL specifications with RFC-2119
keywords/statements
Email discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200807/msg00033.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200807/msg00034.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200807/msg00035.html
8. AOB

Agenda bashing

 
No objections

Approval of July 24 minutes ...

 
No objections - minutes approved
Resolution: Minutes of 2008-07-24 located at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200807/msg00031.html approved

Review of open action items ...

 
AI 0021 - Anish will send one more reminder to Mary w.r.t. the remaining pieces
 
AI 0042 - two more issue resolutions to be applied to the spec - Martin has the pen

higher bar for new issues ...

 
Proposed for other SCA TCs as well
 
Proposed approach - first set a higher bar for opening new issues
 
TC to decide on a date and concrete approach for the higher bar
Anish:
SCA-J TC decided to set the date to September 15
 
(August is not appropriate due to the vacation season)
 
Proposed approach - require 2/3 majority for opening new issues
Dieter:
motion to set the date to September 15 and require 2/3 majority for opening new issues - Mike R. seconds
 
this means 2/3 of voters present in the call
Martin:
motion to change this to 2/3 of ALL voting members
 
Ashok seconds
 
(2/3 of ALL voting members would be consistent across SCA TCs)
<anish>
should we then do web ballots for new issues?
Mike R:
2/3 of ALL voting members may not be reached with a unanimous vote of a quorate meeting
 
Voting on the amendment ...
<Mike Edwards>
+1 for the motion
 
Y = 2/3 of ALL voting members
 
Voting result - 8 Y, 1 N - amendment accepted
 
Motion is therefore: set the date to September 15 and require 2/3 majority of all voting members for opening new issues
 
Motion passed without objections
Resolution: After sept 15, 2/3 majority of all voting members for opening new issues will be required

Issue 18

<Mike Edwards>
The "combination" process is the subject of an issue in the Assembly TC
Mike R:
a conformance target "SCA runtime" would include design time
Martin:
concentrate on the rules to be followed
Anish:
the SCA component type is not an "output artifact"
Danny:
we should use the "component type generator" conformance target
<Mike Edwards>
The other C&Is are in poor shape - I will be raising an issue against the Java TC for the CAA spe
Sanjay:
(1) there may be multiple component type side files (2) what should be the name of the conformance target? (3) how to test compliance?
Sanjay:
how about "component type information" as a candidate target?
Anish:
this would be too abstract as you cannot point to it
Mike E:
the test would consider an SCA component definition and a BPEL process definition - this must work
Mike R:
the component type and the introspected implementation must not be in conflict
<Mike Edwards>
Again, Michael R's testcase is a straighforward testcase
<Mike Edwards>
I just think it is the runtime that is tested here
Danny:
both SCDL and BPEL may be valid by themselves, but the relationship is not
<Mike Edwards>
The testcase is simple - it is a SCDL file + a BPEL script - it is either valid or it is not valid - and whichever runtime deals with the combination must get it right - process it or reject it with an error
<anish>
i agree, the issues is if it is rejected, what is at fault?
<Mike Edwards>
the runtime
<Mike Edwards>
what else is there
<anish>
k
Mike R:
motion to use proposal in revision 5 section 2.1
 
No second - motion rejected
<anish>
i think there are three cases: either the runtime is at fault, or the scdl is a fault or the CT side file is at fault
 
Please send new proposals to the mailing list ...
 
No call in August - next call September 4
 
Meeting adjourned

[End of Minutes]
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