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Subject: [sca-bpel] Raw chat from SCA BPEL TC Telcon Sept 25, 2008


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Meeting ID: 877770
Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735)
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Najeeb Andrabi: SCA-BPEL Weekly meeting has been modified by Dr. Anish Karmarkar
 
Date:  Thursday, 25 September 2008
Time:  08:00am - 09:00am PT
 
Event Description:
Dial-in:
1-888-967-2253
+1-650-607-2253
+61-2-8817-6100
+44-118-924-9000
 
Meeting ID: 877770
Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735)
 
Web-conf: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/sca-bpel-TC
 
Acrobat connect room URL: http://my.adobe.acrobat.com/scabpel/
 
Agenda:
1. Roll Call
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php
 
2. Appointment of scribe
Scribe list attached below
 
3. Agenda bashing
 
4. Approval of Sep 18, 2008 minutes
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200809/msg00017.html
 
5. Action items review
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/action_items.php
 
a) AI #0021
Martin Chapman - to follow up with Mary to post the CD docs to OASIS repository Done. Docs uploaded but SCA BPEL NS is not live yet.
 
b) AI #0045
Martin Chapman - Make a proposal for issue 18
 
c) AI #0046
Michael Rowley - update JIRA based on revision log at the end of the spec
 
 
6. Issue 18 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-18
TITLE- Need to rewrite the SCA-BPEL specifications with RFC-2119 keywords/statements Email discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200809/msg00004.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200809/msg00010.html
 
7. AOB
 
-----------------------------------------
Scribe list:
* Andrabi, Mr. Najeeb (10/4/07, 2/14/08, 3/27/08, 5/8/0: 4
* Chapman, Dr Martin (9/7/07, 12/13/07, 2/28/08, 5/15/0: 4
* Kand, Khanderao (9/20/07, 1/31/08, 4/10/08, 7/10/0: 4
* van der Rijn, Danny (12/06/07, 5/22/08, 6/19/08, 7/24/0: 4
* Koenig, Mr Dieter (10/25/07, 1/10/08, 3/13/08, 4/24/08, 7/31/0: 5
* Rowley, Mr Michael (9/27/07, 2/7/08, 9/11/0: Issues Editor
* Malhotra, Mr Ashok (11/29/07, 2/21/08, 5/1/08, 5/29/08, 9/18/0: 5
 
 
 
Minutes:
 
 
This event is one in a list of recurring events.
Other event dates in this series:
 
Thursday, 27 September 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 04 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 11 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 18 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 25 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 01 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 08 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 15 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 22 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 29 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 06 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 13 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 20 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 27 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 03 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 10 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 17 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 24 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 31 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 07 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 14 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 21 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 28 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 06 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 13 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 20 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 27 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 03 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 10 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 17 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 24 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 08 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 15 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 22 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 29 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 05 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 12 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 19 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 26 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 03 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 10 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 17 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 24 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 31 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 07 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 14 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 21 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 28 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 04 September 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 11 September 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 18 September 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
 
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Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: Additional item: If we want to have call next week.
Najeeb Andrabi: Agenda with the change described above is approved
Najeeb Andrabi: Meeting minutes approved for the last call.
Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0021 still open.
Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0045 is also open.
Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0046 discussion
Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: All issues closed/resolved but Issue #8 was not closed.
Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: We should close this issue #8 unless other TC change the version number.
Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley moves to close issue # 8.
Najeeb Andrabi: version number is for sca-bpel.
Najeeb Andrabi: Martin C seconds.
Najeeb Andrabi: motion is approved: issue #8 is closed.
Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0046 closed.
Najeeb Andrabi: Martin moves to cancel next weeks call.
Najeeb Andrabi: Danny seconds.
Najeeb Andrabi: motion approved.
Najeeb Andrabi: Next weeks call cancelled.
Najeeb Andrabi: Issue #18 discussion:
Martin C: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/email/archives/200809/msg00019.html
Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: Proposal is good but we should understand ramification of this proposal.
Najeeb Andrabi: We should relax the statements on what is testable and what is not.
Najeeb Andrabi: Martin C: Agrees so environments might generate component type file in a different manner.
Najeeb Andrabi: Martin C: We can still to static type checking.
Martin C: we dont want to require all design tools to understand how to introspect all c+i files, but they may do
Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: Introspected component type must be conformant as it must follow rules specified.
Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: If a non-conformant component type is created then it is tool/user error.
Najeeb Andrabi: Danny: moves to accept this proposal.
Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman seconds
Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley proposes an amendment to the proposal
Najeeb Andrabi: conformance tests can be done as deployment.
Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley withdraws the amendment.
Najeeb Andrabi: Danny: Assembly specification should handle this.
Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: we can add there is no restriction to when it is testable.
Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: Agrees with Danny that we should leave this to assembly specification.
Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman: Assembly specification already has rules for SCDL.
Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter: Is the goal to reject a effective component type file at runtime?
Najeeb Andrabi: motion is approved.
Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: we should re-write section 2.1 with introspection rules.
Najeeb Andrabi: AI#45 transferred to Michael Rowley (Only section 2.1)
Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley moves to adjourn meeting.
Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman seconds
Najeeb Andrabi: Meeting adjourned.

 

anonymous morphed into anish

Room information was updated by: anish

Dial-in:
1-888-967-2253
+1-650-607-2253
+61-2-8817-6100
+44-118-924-9000

Meeting ID: 877770
Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735)

Please change your name from 'anonymous' using the Settings button

anonymous morphed into Najeeb Andrabi

Najeeb Andrabi: SCA-BPEL Weekly meeting has been modified by Dr. Anish Karmarkar

Date:  Thursday, 25 September 2008
Time:  08:00am - 09:00am PT

Event Description:
Dial-in:
1-888-967-2253
+1-650-607-2253
+61-2-8817-6100
+44-118-924-9000

Meeting ID: 877770
Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735)

Web-conf: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/sca-bpel-TC

Acrobat connect room URL: http://my.adobe.acrobat.com/scabpel/

Agenda:
1. Roll Call
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php

2. Appointment of scribe
Scribe list attached below

3. Agenda bashing

4. Approval of Sep 18, 2008 minutes
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200809/msg00017.html

5. Action items review
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/action_items.php

a) AI #0021
Martin Chapman - to follow up with Mary to post the CD docs to OASIS repository Done. Docs uploaded but SCA BPEL NS is not live yet.

b) AI #0045
Martin Chapman - Make a proposal for issue 18

c) AI #0046
Michael Rowley - update JIRA based on revision log at the end of the spec


6. Issue 18 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-18
TITLE- Need to rewrite the SCA-BPEL specifications with RFC-2119 keywords/statements Email discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200809/msg00004.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200809/msg00010.html

7. AOB

-----------------------------------------
Scribe list:
* Andrabi, Mr. Najeeb (10/4/07, 2/14/08, 3/27/08, 5/8/0: 4
* Chapman, Dr Martin (9/7/07, 12/13/07, 2/28/08, 5/15/0: 4
* Kand, Khanderao (9/20/07, 1/31/08, 4/10/08, 7/10/0: 4
* van der Rijn, Danny (12/06/07, 5/22/08, 6/19/08, 7/24/0: 4
* Koenig, Mr Dieter (10/25/07, 1/10/08, 3/13/08, 4/24/08, 7/31/0: 5
* Rowley, Mr Michael (9/27/07, 2/7/08, 9/11/0: Issues Editor
* Malhotra, Mr Ashok (11/29/07, 2/21/08, 5/1/08, 5/29/08, 9/18/0: 5



Minutes:


This event is one in a list of recurring events.
Other event dates in this series:

Thursday, 27 September 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 04 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 11 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 18 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 25 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 01 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 08 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 15 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 22 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 29 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 06 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 13 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 20 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 27 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 03 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 10 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 17 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 24 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 31 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 07 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 14 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 21 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 28 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 06 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 13 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 20 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 27 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 03 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 10 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 17 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 24 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 08 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 15 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 22 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 29 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 05 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 12 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 19 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 26 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 03 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 10 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 17 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 24 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 31 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 07 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 14 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 21 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 28 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 04 September 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 11 September 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT
Thursday, 18 September 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT

View event details:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/event.php?event_id=16273

PLEASE NOTE:  If the above link does not work for you, your email
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Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: Additional item: If we want to have call next week.

Najeeb Andrabi: Agenda with the change described above is approved

Najeeb Andrabi: Meeting minutes approved for the last call.

Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0021 still open.

Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0045 is also open.

Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0046 discussion

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: All issues closed/resolved but Issue #8 was not closed.

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: We should close this issue #8 unless other TC change the version number.

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley moves to close issue # 8.

Najeeb Andrabi: version number is for sca-bpel.

Najeeb Andrabi: Martin C seconds.

Najeeb Andrabi: motion is approved: issue #8 is closed.

Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0046 closed.

Najeeb Andrabi: Martin moves to cancel next weeks call.

Najeeb Andrabi: Danny seconds.

Najeeb Andrabi: motion approved.

Najeeb Andrabi: Next weeks call cancelled.

Najeeb Andrabi: Issue #18 discussion:

Martin C: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/email/archives/200809/msg00019.html

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: Proposal is good but we should understand ramification of this proposal.

Najeeb Andrabi: We should relax the statements on what is testable and what is not.

Najeeb Andrabi: Martin C: Agrees so environments might generate component type file in a different manner.

Najeeb Andrabi: Martin C: We can still to static type checking.

Martin C: we dont want to require all design tools to understand how to introspect all c+i files, but they may do

Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: Introspected component type must be conformant as it must follow rules specified.

Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: If a non-conformant component type is created then it is tool/user error.

Najeeb Andrabi: Danny: moves to accept this proposal.

Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman seconds

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley proposes an amendment to the proposal

Najeeb Andrabi: conformance tests can be done as deployment.

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley withdraws the amendment.

Najeeb Andrabi: Danny: Assembly specification should handle this.

Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: we can add there is no restriction to when it is testable.

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: Agrees with Danny that we should leave this to assembly specification.

Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman: Assembly specification already has rules for SCDL.

Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter: Is the goal to reject a effective component type file at runtime?

Najeeb Andrabi: motion is approved.

Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: we should re-write section 2.1 with introspection rules.

Najeeb Andrabi: AI#45 transferred to Michael Rowley (Only section 2.1)

Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley moves to adjourn meeting.

Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman seconds

Najeeb Andrabi: Meeting adjourned.


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