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anonymous morphed into anish Room information was updated by: anish Dial-in: 1-888-967-2253 +1-650-607-2253 +61-2-8817-6100 +44-118-924-9000 Meeting ID: 877770 Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735) anish: Agenda: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200810/msg00027.html Please change your name from 'anonymous' using the Settings button anonymous morphed into Najeeb Andrabi Dave Booz be there in a sec anish ok dave anish: Scribe: Najeeb Andrabi anish: ScribeNick: Najeeb Andrabi Najeeb Andrabi: Weekly SCA-BPEL telcon has been modified by Dr. Anish Karmarkar Date: Thursday, 23 October 2008 Time: 08:00am - 09:00am PT Event Description: Dial-in: 1-888-967-2253 +1-650-607-2253 +61-2-8817-6100 +44-118-924-9000 Meeting ID: 877770 Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735) Web-conf: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/sca-bpel-TC Agenda: 1. Roll Call http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php 2. Appointment of scribe Scribe list attached below 3. Agenda bashing 4. Approval of Oct 16, 2008 minutes http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200810/msg00023.html 5. Action items review http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/action_items.php a) AI #0021 Sanjay to follow up with Mary to post the CD docs to OASIS repository c) AI #0049 MikeR to start a discussion amongst the editors on applying the section 2.1.1 RFC2119 model to the rest of the doc 6. Concall schedule and time change Concall schedule is fixed to PT. 7. Labeling conformance points (homework assignment) & liaison to testing http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200810/msg00019.html 8. Issue Discussion a) Issue 23 - http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-23 Title - Additional Integrity Constraints for SCA Extensions to WS-BPEL Proposal in JIRA b) Issue 22 - http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL22 Title -Include mapping of interface.partnerLinkType to interface.wsdl Outline of a proposal in JIRA c) Issue 18 - http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-18 TITLE - Need to rewrite the SCA-BPEL specifications with RFC-2119 keywords/statements Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200810/msg00009.html d) Issue 12 - http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-12 TITLE - Long-Running Request-Response Operations 10. AOB ----------------------------------------- Scribe list: * Chapman, Dr Martin (9/7/07, 12/13/07, 2/28/08, 5/15/0: 4 * van der Rijn, Danny (12/06/07, 5/22/08, 6/19/08, 7/24/0: 4 * Malhotra, Mr Ashok (11/29/07, 2/21/08, 5/1/08, 5/29/08, 9/18/0: 5 * Andrabi, Mr. Najeeb (10/4/07, 2/14/08, 3/27/08, 5/8/08, 9/25/0: 5 * Kand, Khanderao (9/20/07, 1/31/08, 4/10/08, 7/10/08, 10/09/0: 5 * Koenig, Mr Dieter (10/25/07, 1/10/08, 3/13/08, 4/24/08, 7/31/08, 10/16/0: 6 * Rowley, Mr Michael (9/27/07, 2/7/08, 9/11/0: Issues Editor Minutes: This event is one in a list of recurring events. Other event dates in this series: Thursday, 09 October 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 16 October 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 30 October 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 06 November 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 13 November 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 20 November 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 27 November 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 04 December 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 11 December 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 18 December 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 25 December 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 01 January 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 08 January 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 15 January 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 22 January 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 29 January 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 05 February 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 12 February 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 19 February 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 26 February 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 05 March 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 12 March 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 19 March 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 26 March 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 02 April 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 09 April 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 16 April 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 23 April 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 30 April 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 07 May 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 14 May 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 21 May 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 28 May 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 04 June 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 11 June 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 18 June 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 25 June 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 02 July 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 09 July 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 16 July 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 23 July 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 30 July 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 06 August 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 13 August 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 20 August 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 27 August 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 03 September 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 10 September 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 17 September 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 24 September 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 01 October 2009, 08:00am to 09:00am PT View event details: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/event.php?event_id=19807 PLEASE NOTE: If the above link does not work for you, your email application may be breaking the link into two pieces. You may be able to copy and paste the entire link address into the address field of your web browser. Najeeb Andrabi: October 16th minutes approved. Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0021 discussion Najeeb Andrabi: Everything done except the file names. Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: Fix remaining issues in CD02 Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: close AI #0021 : remaining work to be done in CD02. Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0049 discussion. Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0049 done. Najeeb Andrabi: Next con call time won't change Najeeb Andrabi: Discussion about Labeling conformance points (homework assignment). anish: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly-testing/200810/msg00000.html Najeeb Andrabi: Mike Edwards: Identify each normative statement and label it. Danny van der Rijn: +1 anish: u can always use things like 'is required' instead of 'must' Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter: Static analysis rules in BPEL are not covered by schemas. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman: Are labels different in case of different conformance targets? anish danny if you are on the call, please speak up so that i can get you on the roll Danny van der Rijn: I'm not anish k Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: agree first on RFC2119 language then apply this scheme. Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: we need to move the motion to in-corporate this scheme. Mike Edwards: Mike E moves that the BPEL TC adopts the format for labelling all normative statements and for a catalog of all statements in an appendix, as shown in the example SCA Assembly Specification previously sent to the list. anish: The email that contains the format for labeling is at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly-testing/200810/msg00000.html Najeeb Andrabi: Dave Booz seconds. Najeeb Andrabi: motion is approved. Najeeb Andrabi: Issue 23 discussion. anish: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-23 Dieter Koenig: PROPOSAL: Add normative constraints to chapter 3 in order to avoid contradicting (and therefore useless) partner link attribute specifications. Add the following to section 3.2: "The sca-bpel:multiRefFrom attribute MUST not be specified for a partner link with a myRole attribute referencing a role which is the only role of a partner link type. Furthermore, sca-bpel:multiRefFrom attribute MUST not be specified for a partner link that has the sca-bpel:service attribute." Add the following to section 3.3: "The sca-bpel:service attribute MUST not be specified for a partner link with a partnerRole attribute referencing a role which is the only role of a partner link type." and "The sca-bpel:reference attribute MUST not be specified for a partner link with a myRole attribute referencing a role which is the only role of a partner link type." Dieter Koenig: PROPOSAL: (with uppercase NOT) Add the following to section 3.2: "The sca-bpel:multiRefFrom attribute MUST NOT be specified for a partner link with a myRole attribute referencing a role which is the only role of a partner link type. Furthermore, sca-bpel:multiRefFrom attribute MUST not be specified for a partner link that has the sca-bpel:service attribute." Add the following to section 3.3: "The sca-bpel:service attribute MUST NOT be specified for a partner link with a partnerRole attribute referencing a role which is the only role of a partner link type." and "The sca-bpel:reference attribute MUST NOT be specified for a partner link with a myRole attribute referencing a role which is the only role of a partner link type." Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: moves to open issue 23 Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley seconds. Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter moves to open issue 23. Najeeb Andrabi: motion approved: issue 23 is open. Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter moves to accept the proposal with upper case NOT Najeeb Andrabi: Mike Edwards seconds. Najeeb Andrabi: Issue 23 is resolved. Najeeb Andrabi: Issue 22 discussion. Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: there is no detailed proposal for it. anish: Something along the lines of: A partnerLinkType that has only one role: The equivalent interface.wsdl will be a non-callback interface. The interface.wsdl's 'interface' attribute will point to the same portType as the one pointed to by plnkartnerLinkType/plnk:role/plnkortType/@name attribute. Note that partnerLinkType points to the portType's QNames whereas interface.wsdl uses the URL of the form <target-NS>#wsdl.interface(...). A partnerLinkType that has two roles: The equivalent interface.wsdl will be a callback interface. The forward interface will have the same portType as the one pointed to by the partnerLinkType role whose @name attribute value matches that of the @serviceRole attribute. The callback interface be the portType that is not assigned to the forward interface. Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: we should hold on resolving this issue till the component type side related issues are resolved. Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: Component type side file issue resolution and interface.partnerLinkType issue are not related. Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: we need issue to track rules on component side file.
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