Re: [sca-j] SCA-J package names

[Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com>]

Roberto,
The position is as you state it.  I
clarified this on yesterday's SCA-J TC call.  I said that if we have
not received a satisfactory resolution from OASIS administration before
next week's call, I will be asking for 2 other TC members to join with
me in a formal appeal.

    Simon

Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999

Roberto Chinnici <Roberto.Chinnici@Sun.COM>
Sent by: Roberto.Chinnici@Sun.COM

24/04/2008 17:16

To	Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB
cc	mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, "'Michael Rowley'" <mrowley@bea.com>, sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject	Re: [sca-j] SCA-J package names

As a point of order, according to the OASIS rules
[1], appeals are done 
by members, not TCs as a whole.

So I believe it is incorrect to state that the "SCA-J TC is willing
to 
initiate a formal appeal if necessary".

Clearly, the vote taken by the TC on a motion related to this issue 
cannot be seen as binding any TC members to participate in an eventual
appeal.

[1] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#appeals

--Roberto

Simon Nash wrote:
> Mary,
> The SCA-J TC has discussed this decision, which comes in two parts.
>
> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix
from 
> "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled
by 
> OASIS.
> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open"
to be used by the 
> SCA-J TC.
>
> On the first part, the SCA-J TC recognizes the validty of the arguments
> put forward for changing the prefix.  There could be other possible
> resolutions to the concerns expressed for using org.osoa, for example
if 
> the osoa.org consortium were willing to transfer future usage of the
> org.osoa package prefix to OASIS.  However, the TC is willing
to accept a 
> change at this stage as long as the new prefix is acceptable.
>
> This brings us on the the second part.  The SCA-J TC is not willing
to 
> accept the proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open",
for the 
> following reasons:
>
> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
naming 
> conventions.  Specifically, the use of an underscore in package
names is 
> highly unusual and unconventional. 
>
> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type.
 When 
> talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot
oasis 
> underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext".  When typing
these APIs, 
> the shifted character underscore would need to be entered.  Both
of these 
> are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
>
> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name
prefix 
> would not be liked by Java developers.  The only other cases
that I am 
> aware of are some CORBA package names in the JDK, and these have been
the 
> subject of user complaint.  (I was involved in Java/CORBA standards
when 
> these package names were first introduced, so I am personally familiar
> with this issue.)
>
> The SCA-J TC understands that the "org.oasis_open" package
name is the 
> result of applying the convention suggested in the Java Language 
> Specification (Third Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org"
domain 
> name.  In order to produce an acceptable package name, the Java
package 
> prefix would need to be derived from some other domain name.  The
TC has 
> discussed some options and considers the org.oasisj prefix to be suitable
> and acceptable.  This would require that OASIS acquires the corresponding
> domain name, which is currently available.
>
> You have suggested that the only way to change this decision is by
a 
> formal appeal.  The SCA-J TC is willing to initiate a formal
appeal if 
> necessary.  However, before issuing this appeal to the Chairman
of the 
> OASIS Board of Directors, the TC would like to know whether OASIS
> administration is willing to accept its proposed resolution as outlined
> above.
>
>     Simon
>
> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
> Tel. +44-1962-815156  Fax +44-1962-818999
>
>
>
> "Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> 
> Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>
> 04/04/2008 04:36
> Please respond to
> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>
>
> To
> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB
> cc
> "'Michael Rowley'" <mrowley@bea.com>, <sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Subject
> [sca-j] SCA-J package names
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Simon, 
>
> After further study of this issue, OASIS TC Administration has reached
the
> following decision:
>
> While the specifications under development at the OASIS SCA-J Technical
> Committee are based on the original specifications from the OSOA 
> collaboration,
> it is our understanding that the final specifications to be delivered
by 
> the
> SCA-J TC are not required (or even likely) to be backwards compatible
with 
> the
> original OSOA draft specifications.  Maintaining the "org.osoa"
prefix may 
> not
> be needed or even desirable given such incompatibilities.
>
> The argument that there exists a JCP precedence for adopting the original
> package name when transporting it from one organization to another,
while 
> true
> in general, does not take into account that it applies to finished,
> externally
> defined APIs marked for inclusion in the JDK. As far as we've been
able to
> determine, there's never been a case of a JSR that took some API from
> outside
> the JCP as input and modified it while keeping the same package name.
>
> Moreover, the use of the "org.osoa" string in an OASIS technical
> specification
> seems inappropriate as OASIS does not currently own the "osoa.org"
domain.
> Therefore, OASIS recommends the use of the
> "org.oasis_open" prefix in order to:
>  
>  - clearly differentiate the OASIS specification from the (possibly
> incompatible) OSOA drafts on which this work is based,
>
> - clearly differentiate OASIS work from other work that may be developed
> by OSOA
> itself,
>
> - use a prefix referring to an OASIS-owned domain name, and
>
> - address the Java name syntax issue you identified with the "oasis-open"
> name.
>
> OASIS will take action to ensure that future similar work will also
use 
> this
> prefix, to ensure consistency among OASIS specifications.
>
> As with any other TC Administration decision, this can be appealed,
as 
> spelled
> out in the TC Process Document.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mary
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------
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> Manager of TC Administration, OASIS
> email: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org 
> web: www.oasis-open.org
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>
>
>
>
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