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Subject: Re: An appeal against TC Admin decision on Java package names
On 12/12/2008 12:23 PM, David Booz wrote: > Simon and I have spoken about whether or not this appeal should be > considered as a new appeal or a continuation of the previous one > that Simon initiated and agreed to suspend. We have also consulted the > other appellants. It is the wish of the appellants that this appeal > be treated as a continuation/resumption of the previous appeal. > Apologies that our previous email was not clear about this. See below, then. > > Accordingly I am copying this email to all the people who were part > of the previous appeal, as well as three other people (Mike Edwards, > Bryan Aupperle and Pradeep Simha) who wish to add their support for > this appeal. Please advise whether or not it is possible for new > appellants to be added to an appeal that is already in progress. The Process document is silent on this, so my assumption is that it is possible until the expiration of the first scheduled deadline (15 days) since it is not directly or indirectly prohibited. *However,* I would like to have a message from each of the new appellants confirming that they wish to be listed as such. I'm not sure what adding new names buys you, as the decision will be on its merits, not on how many appellants there are, but so be it. As to the appeal itself: the first appeal's suspension is now lifted as of December 12, after having ran for 4 days (from May 5 to May 8). The response dates are therefore December 23 2008 and January 7, 2009. This message serves to inform the TC that such an appeal has been filed (and thus the December 23 deadline becomes moot). A response to the appeal on its merits will be issued on or before January 7. (I personally hope we are able to issue it well before that date). > > You are correct that there is relevant history after April 24 which > was inadvertently omitted from the previous email. To summarize, the > interactions so far on the subject have been as follows: > > a) Agreement by OASIS TC Admin to use org.osoa as requested by the TC > (ref. [1]). > > b) Objection by OASIS TC Admin to org.osoa on various grounds, one of > which was that the osoa.org domain is not owned by OASIS. Decision > by OASIS TC Admin to change from org.osoa to org.oasis_open (ref. [2]). > > c) Initiation of appeal against the decision to use org.oasis_open as > the package name prefix (ref. [3]). > > d) Discussions between the appellants and OASIS TC Admin on alternative > prefixes, including the issue of whether or not it is important for > the domain to be owned by OASIS (ref. [4]). > > e) Agreement to suspend the appeal until completion of these discussions > (ref. [5]). > > f) sca-j TC decision to support the use of the package prefix org.oasisopen, > assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS (ref. [6]). > > g) OASIS TC Admin acknowledges this and passes it on to the OASIS IT > department (ref. [7]). > > h) Decision from OASIS TC Admin to require the use of org.oasisopen > without OASIS acquiring the oasisopen.org domain (ref. [8]). > > > The appeal is reopened on the following grounds: > > Technical: > > 1. Contradictory OASIS TC Admin positions on the need for domain ownership > between a) in which lack of domain ownership was used to reject org.osoa, > d) in which lack of domain ownership was used to reject org.oasis, and h) > in which lack of domain ownership was stated to not be an issue. A clear > and consistent OASIS position on domain ownership that follows Java > conventions and industry best practice is needed. > > 2. Using a package prefix without owning the corresponding domain does not > follow Java conventions and industry best practice. Section 7.7 of the > Java Language Specification says: "You form a unique package name by > first > having (or belonging to an organization that has) an Internet domain > name, > such as sun.com. You then reverse this name, component by component, > to obtain, in this example, com.sun, and use this as a prefix for your > package names, using a convention developed within your organization > to further administer package names." > > Procedural: > > 3. The earlier appeal was suspended pending completion of discussions > between OASIS TC Admin and the sca-j TC, but OASIS TC Admin did not > complete those discussions. Instead OASIS TC Admin issued a new > decision h) that they knew to be contrary to the TC's position as > expressed in f), and did not engage in any consultation or discussion > with the TC before issuing that decision. > > Simon Nash Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Mark Combellack Avaya OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Jim Marino Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Michael Rowley Active Endpoints OASIS SCA BPEL TC Voting Member > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Mike Edwards IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Bryan Aupperle IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software Inc OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > > [1] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html > [2] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html > [3] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00003.html > [4] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00003.html > [5] Simon Nash email to Eduardo Gutentag, 5/8/08 > [6] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/28356/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202008-05-15.doc > [7] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00043.html > [8] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00017.html > [9] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00096.html > > Dave Booz > STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture > Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC > "Distributed objects first, then world hunger" > Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093 > e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com > > Inactive hide details for Eduardo Gutentag ---12/05/2008 01:57:41 > PM---To the SCA-J TC: In accordance with Section 4.2 of the TEduardo > Gutentag ---12/05/2008 01:57:41 PM---To the SCA-J TC: In accordance with > Section 4.2 of the TC Process Document > > > From: > Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> > > To: > David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM@IBMUS > > Cc: > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org, > tc-admin@oasis-open.org > > Date: > 12/05/2008 01:57 PM > > Subject: > An appeal against TC Admin decision on Java package names > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > To the SCA-J TC: > > In accordance with Section 4.2 of the TC Process Document > (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#appeals), > and before the deadline stipulated in that Section, I hereby > acknowledge receipt of the appeal included below, and I inform the > TC of such appeal. > > To the appellants: > > I must also express deep confusion, as the "detail" section of > the Procedural part of the appeal stops short (April 24) without > acknowledging the fact that there was a long thread after that date, > which included the initiation of a formal appeal (May 2) and its > subsequent suspension (may 8)[1]. Apart from the fact that this does > not meet in its entirety the requirement that "Previous efforts to > resolve the objection(s) and the outcome of each shall be noted.", > I am not clear as to the relationship between the current appeal and > the previous one. The previous one was suspended, not terminated, > so one could think of this as a request to restart it; however, > since the list of appellants in this case is not completely the same > as the list of appellants in the previous case, I am assuming, until > and unless I am told I am wrong, that this is a different appeal. > > I am enclosing a couple of relevant email messages, in whose cc > list many of the current appellants (but not all) were included. > > Please be aware that until such time as the appeal may be resolved > in favor of the appellants, the decisions taken by TC Administration > are valid and binding. > > [1] Because of the very short interval between initiation and > suspension, there was no opportunity for me at that time to inform > either the TC or the Board of such an appeal. > > > On 11/26/2008 06:50 AM, David Booz wrote: > > Please excuse the second email. There is a typo in the (Proposed > Resolution) > > > > Any references to openoasis.org are incorrect and should be > oasisopen.org. > > > > Sorry for any confusion. > > > > Dave Booz > > STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture > > Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC > > "Distributed objects first, then world hunger" > > Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093 > > e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com > > ----- Forwarded by David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM on 11/26/2008 09:47 AM > ----- > > > > > > From: > > David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM > > > > To: > > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org > > > > Cc: > > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org, > > tc-admin@oasis-open.org > > > > Date: > > 11/26/2008 08:10 AM > > > > Subject: > > Appealing TC Admin decision on Java package names > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal > > the decision by TC Admin attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is > > being submitted by > > individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by the OASIS TC Process. > > In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its backing to this appeal > > by a unanimous vote. > > > > Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. > > > > TECHNICAL > > > > (Summary) > > > > The proposed package name prefix must be controlled by OASIS. > > > > (Detail) > > > > The decision comes in two parts. > > > > 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from > > "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by > OASIS. > > 2. The need for OASIS to be able to control the proposed package name > > prefix of "org.oasisopen". > > > > (Proposed Resolution) > > This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC > > discussed this and voted [2] not to accept the proposed package name > > prefix of "org.oasisopen" if it is not controlled by OASIS. If OASIS is > > unable or unwilling to obtain the use of the "openoasis.org" domain, > > then the SCA-J TC would rather retain the use of the package name prefix > > "org.osoa". > > > > PROCEDURAL > > > > (Summary) > > > > Part 2 of the decision is a reversal of the earlier decision which > > occurred without consultation with the SCA-J TC. > > > > (Detail) > > > > This issue was raised with TC-Admin on March 2 (ref. [3]). TC-Admin > > sent a decision on March 7 (ref.[4]) On March 10 TC-Admin asked us to > > hold off from implementing the decision and said might be a couple of > > questions to be answered (ref. [5]). > > > > Simon Nash (chair at the time) replied to TC-Admin on March 10 (ref. > > [6]) inviting her or other OASIS staff involved in the decision to > > discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. TC-Admin did not respond. On > > March 25, Simon sent another email (ref. [7]) repeating my invitation to > > discuss this with the TC. Again, TC-Admin did not respond. > > > > On April 3 TC-Admin sent a response (ref. [8]) with a decision that > > completely reversed the original decision. There had been no > > consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite two > > invitations to have this discussion. TC-Admin also indicated that the > > decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could > > only be changed by formal appeal. > > > > This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons > > stated above. > > > > On April 24 Simon sent TC-Admin an email informing her of this (ref. > > [9]), with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and > > asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. TC-Admin > > acknowledged the email (ref. [10]) and indicate a reply in a few days. > > TC-Admin's formal response came on Nov 5 (ref. [1]). > > > > At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC > > has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution > > through dialogue, > > despite all efforts to do this. The acceptable resolutions are > > summarized in the (Proposed Resolution) above. > > > > We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. > > > > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > > Mark Combellack Avaya OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > > Simon Nash Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting > Member > > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > > Jim Marino Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > > Mike Edwards IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting > Member > > Bryan Aupperle IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting > Member > > Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software Inc OASIS SCA-J TC Voting > Member > > > > REFERENCES > > > > [1] > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00017.html > > [2] > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/30068/SCA%20Java%20Face%20to%20Face%20Minutes%202008-11-11%20to%202008-11-13.doc > > [3] > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html > > [4] > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html > > [5] > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html > > [6] > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html > > [7] > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html > > [8] > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html > > [9] > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html > > [10] > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html > > > > Dave Booz > > STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture > > Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC > > "Distributed objects first, then world hunger" > > Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093 > > e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com > > > -- > Eduardo Gutentag > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org > +1 510-550-4616 > > ----- Message from Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> on Fri, 2 May 2008 > 17:58:05 +0100 ----- > *To:* > > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org > *cc:* > > mbgl@us.ibm.com, booz@us.ibm.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, > mcombellack@avaya.com, Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, jmarino@bea.com, > mrowley@bea.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > *Subject:* > > Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal > the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is > being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by > the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its > backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. > > Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. > > TECHNICAL > > (Summary) > > The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming > conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by > Java developers. > > (Detail) > > The decision comes in two parts. > > 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from > "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by OASIS. > 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by > the SCA-J TC. > > This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC > discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix > of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: > > 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java > naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package > names is highly unusual and unconventional. > > 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. > When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot > oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing these > APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered. Both of > these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. > > 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name > prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package > names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names > in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. > > The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the > convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition, > section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to produce an > acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be > derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some options > and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being suitable > and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires the corresponding > domain name, which is currently available. > > PROCEDURAL > > (Summary) > > This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier > decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite > multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. > > (Detail) > > This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a > decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off from > implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions to > be answered (ref. [4]). > > I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS > staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. > She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6]) > repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she did not > respond. > > On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that > completely reversed the original decision. There had been no > consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my > two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the > decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could > only be changed by formal appeal. > > This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons > stated above. > > On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with > a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if > we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She acknowledged the > email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days. She > has not done so. > > At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC > has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution > through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. > > We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. > > Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member > > > REFERENCES > > [1] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_ > > [2] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_ > > [3] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_ > > [4] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_ > > [5] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_ > > [6] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_ > > [7] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_ > > [8] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_ > > > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > / > / > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/ > > > > > > > ----- Message from Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> on Fri, 2 May 2008 > 20:12:27 +0100 ----- > *To:* > > <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> > *cc:* > > Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, booz@us.ibm.com, > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, > martin.chapman@oracle.com, Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, > mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com > *Subject:* > > RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > Mary, > The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the > domain oasis.org. If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen > despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would OASIS be willing to > offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem inconsistent to offer one of > these but not the other. > > The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently > unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is not > a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis. In expressing > this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf of the TC. > > Simon > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* > Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com> > > 02/05/2008 19:49 > > Please respond to > <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> > > > To > Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> > cc > <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <booz@us.ibm.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, > <mcombellack@avaya.com>, <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, > <jmarino@bea.com>, <mrowley@bea.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> > Subject > RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been at > the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and > literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike > Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use of > the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all agree > that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit them. I > asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be acceptable > and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. org.oasisopen.csa. > > Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this > conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge. > > Regards, > > Mary > * > From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] * > Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM* > To:* eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org* > Cc:* mbgl@us.ibm.com; booz@us.ibm.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com; > mcombellack@avaya.com; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; jmarino@bea.com; > mrowley@bea.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org* > Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal > the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is > being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by > the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its > backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. > > Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. > > TECHNICAL > > (Summary) > > The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming > conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by > Java developers. > > (Detail) > > The decision comes in two parts. > > 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from > "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by OASIS. > 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by > the SCA-J TC. > > This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC > discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix > of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: > > 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java > naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package > names is highly unusual and unconventional. > > 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. > When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot > oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing these > APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered. Both of > these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. > > 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name > prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package > names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names > in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. > > The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the > convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition, > section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to produce an > acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be > derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some options > and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being suitable > and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires the corresponding > domain name, which is currently available. > > PROCEDURAL > > (Summary) > > This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier > decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite > multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. > > (Detail) > > This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a > decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off from > implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions to > be answered (ref. [4]). > > I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS > staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. > She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6]) > repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she did not > respond. > > On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that > completely reversed the original decision. There had been no > consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my > two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the > decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could > only be changed by formal appeal. > > This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons > stated above. > > On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with > a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if > we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She acknowledged the > email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days. She > has not done so. > > At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC > has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution > through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. > > We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. > > Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member > > > REFERENCES > > [1] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_ > > [2] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_ > > [3] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_ > > [4] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_ > > [5] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_ > > [6] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_ > > [7] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_ > > [8] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_ > > > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > / > / > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/ > > > > > > > ----- Message from Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> on Mon, 5 May 2008 > 22:02:15 +0100 ----- > *To:* > > <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> > *cc:* > > Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, booz@us.ibm.com, > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, > martin.chapman@oracle.com, "'Mary McRae'" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, > mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com > *Subject:* > > RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > Mary, > Thanks for the clarification. I understand the distinction and I will > put this on the agenda for this week's SCA-J TC call. > > Simon > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* > Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com> > > 03/05/2008 17:27 > > Please respond to > <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> > > > To > Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB > cc > <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>, > <booz@us.ibm.com>, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>, <jmarino@bea.com>, > <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, "'Mary McRae'" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, > <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <mcombellack@avaya.com>, <mrowley@bea.com> > Subject > RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > > > > > > Yes – oasisopen.org appears to be owned by someone just sitting on the > domain – if it’s agreeable we can look into what it would take to > purchase it if that’s absolutely required. Conversely, oasis.org is a > live site – a gift/trade show, which is not an acceptable solution. > > Mary > * > From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] * > Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM* > To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org* > Cc:* Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; > booz@us.ibm.com; eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org; jmarino@bea.com; > martin.chapman@oracle.com; Mary McRae; mbgl@us.ibm.com; > mcombellack@avaya.com; mrowley@bea.com* > Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > Mary, > The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the > domain oasis.org. If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen > despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would OASIS be willing to > offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem inconsistent to offer one of > these but not the other. > > The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently > unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is not > a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis. In expressing > this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf of the TC. > > Simon > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* > Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com> > > 02/05/2008 19:49 > > > Please respond to > <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> > > > To > Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> > cc > <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <booz@us.ibm.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, > <mcombellack@avaya.com>, <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, > <jmarino@bea.com>, <mrowley@bea.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> > Subject > RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been at > the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and > literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike > Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use of > the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all agree > that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit them. I > asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be acceptable > and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. org.oasisopen.csa. > > Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this > conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge. > > Regards, > > Mary > * > From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] * > Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM* > To:* eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org* > Cc:* mbgl@us.ibm.com; booz@us.ibm.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com; > mcombellack@avaya.com; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; jmarino@bea.com; > mrowley@bea.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org* > Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal > the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is > being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by > the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its > backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. > > Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. > > TECHNICAL > > (Summary) > > The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming > conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by > Java developers. > > (Detail) > > The decision comes in two parts. > > 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from > "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by OASIS. > 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by > the SCA-J TC. > > This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC > discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix > of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: > > 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java > naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package > names is highly unusual and unconventional. > > 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. > When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot > oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing these > APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered. Both of > these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. > > 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name > prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package > names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names > in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. > > The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the > convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition, > section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to produce an > acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be > derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some options > and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being suitable > and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires the corresponding > domain name, which is currently available. > > PROCEDURAL > > (Summary) > > This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier > decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite > multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. > > (Detail) > > This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a > decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off from > implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions to > be answered (ref. [4]). > > I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS > staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. > She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6]) > repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she did not > respond. > > On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that > completely reversed the original decision. There had been no > consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my > two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the > decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could > only be changed by formal appeal. > > This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons > stated above. > > On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with > a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if > we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She acknowledged the > email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days. She > has not done so. > > At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC > has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution > through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. > > We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. > > Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member > > > REFERENCES > > [1] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_ > > [2] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_ > > [3] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_ > > [4] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_ > > [5] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_ > > [6] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_ > > [7] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_ > > [8] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_ > > > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/ > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > / > / > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/ > > > > > > > ----- Message from Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> on Thu, 8 May 2008 > 12:14:31 +0100 ----- > *To:* > > Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> > *cc:* > > Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, booz@us.ibm.com, > jmarino@bea.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, > mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com > *Subject:* > > Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > The appellants would like this appeal to be put into abeyance until the > current round of discussions on this subject has completed. > > Many thanks. > > Simon > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > *Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>* > > 06/05/2008 15:42 > > > To > Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB > cc > Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, booz@us.ibm.com, > jmarino@bea.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, > mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com > Subject > Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > > > > > > It is in abeyance (that is, suspended) until one of three things > happen: > > a) the appellants withdraw their appeal, in which case it just goes > away > > b) the appellants re-instate their appeal, in which case the clock > starts ticking again > > c) the appellants change their original appeal into something else, > in which case the clock is reset to 00:00 > > > > On 05/06/2008 06:37 AM, Simon Nash wrote: > > > > Eduardo, > > A new proposal has been made by Mary and this is now under discussion by > > the SCA-J TC. Please can you confirm where we now stand regarding the > > 30-day limit for appeals. Does the new thread of discussion nullify the > > previous 30-day deadline and reset the 30-day clock? If it does, then I > > would be OK with putting the appeal into abeyance until the current > > discussion thread has concluded. > > > > Simon > > > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > > > > > *Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>* > > > > 05/05/2008 22:17 > > > > > > To > > Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB > > cc > > mbgl@us.ibm.com, booz@us.ibm.com, > martin.chapman@oracle.com, > > mcombellack@avaya.com, Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, jmarino@bea.com, > > mrowley@bea.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > > Subject > > Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hereby acknowledge receipt of this appeal. > > > > However, given what appears to be an active thread of > > negotiating messages back and forth between the appellants > > and OASIS TC Administration, I need to know whether the > > appeal still stands as is, or whether it should be put in > > abeyance until further notice one way or another from the > > appellants. > > > > I will proceed no further until I receive a clear message > > from the appellants specifying that the appeal stands exactly > > as originally sent. > > > > > > On 05/02/2008 09:58 AM, Simon Nash wrote: > > > > > > The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal > > > the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is > > > being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by > > > the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its > > > backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. > > > > > > Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. > > > > > > TECHNICAL > > > > > > (Summary) > > > > > > The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java > naming > > > conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be > liked by > > > Java developers. > > > > > > (Detail) > > > > > > The decision comes in two parts. > > > > > > 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name > prefix from > > > "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by > > OASIS. > > > 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by > > > the SCA-J TC. > > > > > > This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC > > > discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name > prefix > > > of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: > > > > > > 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java > > > naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package > > > names is highly unusual and unconventional. > > > > > > 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. > > > When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot > > > oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing > these > > > APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered. Both > > > of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. > > > > > > 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name > > > prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package > > > names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package > names > > > in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. > > > > > > The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the > > > convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third > Edition, > > > section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to produce > > > an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be > > > derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some > > > options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being > > > suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires the > > > corresponding domain name, which is currently available. > > > > > > PROCEDURAL > > > > > > (Summary) > > > > > > This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier > > > decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite > > > multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. > > > > > > (Detail) > > > > > > This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a > > > decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold > off from > > > implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of > questions to > > > be answered (ref. [4]). > > > > > > I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS > > > staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the > SCA-J TC. > > > She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6]) > > > repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she > did not > > > respond. > > > > > > On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that > > > completely reversed the original decision. There had been no > > > consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my > > > two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the > > > decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could > > > only be changed by formal appeal. > > > > > > This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons > > > stated above. > > > > > > On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), > with > > > a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and > asking if > > > we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She > acknowledged the > > > email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days. She > > > has not done so. > > > > > > At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC > > > has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution > > > through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. > > > > > > We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal > appeal. > > > > > > Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > > > Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > > > Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > > > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > > > Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > > > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting > Member > > > Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > > > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting > Member > > > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member > > > > > > > > > REFERENCES > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > <_ > <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html>_http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html > > > > > > > > > [3] > > > > > > <__http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html > > > > > > > > > [4] > > > > > > <__http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html > > > > > > > > > [5] > > > > > > <__http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html > > > > > > > > > [6] > > > > > > <__http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html > > > > > > > > > [7] > > > > > > <__http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html > > > > > > > > > [8] > > > > > > <__http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > > > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > > > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > / > > > / > > > > > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > > > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with > number > > > 741598. > > > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire > > PO6 3AU/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Eduardo Gutentag > > OASIS President > > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org > > +1 510-550-4616 > > > <__http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > / > > / > > > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > > 741598. > > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire > PO6 3AU/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Eduardo Gutentag > OASIS President > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org > +1 510-550-4616_ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > / > / > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/ > > > > > > > ----- Message from Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com> on Tue, 20 May 2008 > 14:41:45 +0100 ----- > *To:* > > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > *cc:* > > Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, booz@us.ibm.com, > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, > martin.chapman@oracle.com, "Mary McRae" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, > mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com > *Subject:* > > Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > Mary, > My apologies for the delay in getting back to you. The sca-j TC > discussed this at our last meeting and passed the following motion: > > "The sca-j TC supports the use of the package prefix org.oasisopen, > assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS." > > If this is acceptable to OASIS, please can you contact the current owner > of oasisopen.org and come back to us when you know whether it is > possible to agree terms for OASIS to acquire this domain. > > Many thanks. > > Simon > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* > Sent by: marypmcrae@gmail.com > > 20/05/2008 14:11 > > Please respond to > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > > > To > Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB > cc > Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, booz@us.ibm.com, > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, > martin.chapman@oracle.com, "Mary McRae" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, > mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com > Subject > Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > > > > > > Hi Simon, > > Any update on this issue? > > Thanks, > > Mary > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Mary McRae <_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>> wrote: > Yes – _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/> appears to be owned by > someone just sitting on the domain – if it's agreeable we can look into > what it would take to purchase it if that's absolutely required. > Conversely, _oasis.org_ <http://oasis.org/> is a live site – a > gift/trade show, which is not an acceptable solution. > > Mary > > *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:_NASH@uk.ibm.com_ <mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com>] * > Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM* > To:* _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mrae@oasis-open.org>* > Cc:* _Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com_ <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>; > _ashok.malhotra@oracle.com_ <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>; > _booz@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>; > _eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>; _jmarino@bea.com_ > <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>; _martin.chapman@oracle.com_ > <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>; Mary McRae; _mbgl@us.ibm.com_ > <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>; _mcombellack@avaya.com_ > <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>; _mrowley@bea.com_ <mailto:mrowley@bea.com> > > * > Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > Mary, > The domain _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/> is already owned by > someone else, as is the domain _oasis.org_ <http://oasis.org/>. If OASIS > is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen despite not having > ownership of _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/>, would OASIS be > willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem inconsistent to > offer one of these but not the other. > > The TC proposed org.oasisj because the _oasisj.org_ <http://oasisj.org/> > domain is currently unowned and therefore available for acquisition by > OASIS. If this is not a constraint, my personal preference would be > org.oasis. In expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and > not on behalf of the TC. > > Simon > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > *"Mary McRae" <**_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_* > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*>* > Sent by: Mary McRae <_marypmcrae@gmail.com_ <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com>> > > 02/05/2008 19:49 > > > Please respond to > <_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>> > > > To > Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <_eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>> > cc > <_mbgl@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>>, <_booz@us.ibm.com_ > <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>>, <_martin.chapman@oracle.com_ > <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>>, <_mcombellack@avaya.com_ > <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>>, <_Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com_ > <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>>, <_jmarino@bea.com_ > <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>>, <_mrowley@bea.com_ <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>>, > <_ashok.malhotra@oracle.com_ <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>> > Subject > RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been at > the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and > literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike > Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use of > the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all agree > that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit them. I > asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be acceptable > and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. org.oasisopen.csa. > > Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this > conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge. > > Regards, > > Mary > * > From:* Simon Nash [mailto:_NASH@uk.ibm.com_ <mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com>] * > Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM* > To:* _eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>* > Cc:* _mbgl@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:mbgl@us.ibm.com>; _booz@us.ibm.com_ > <mailto:booz@us.ibm.com>; _martin.chapman@oracle.com_ > <mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com>; _mcombellack@avaya.com_ > <mailto:mcombellack@avaya.com>; _Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com_ > <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>; _jmarino@bea.com_ > <mailto:jmarino@bea.com>; _mrowley@bea.com_ <mailto:mrowley@bea.com>; > _ashok.malhotra@oracle.com_ <mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>; > _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* > Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names > > > The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal > the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is > being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by > the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its > backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1. > > Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. > > TECHNICAL > > (Summary) > > The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming > conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by > Java developers. > > (Detail) > > The decision comes in two parts. > > 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from > "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by OASIS. > 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by > the SCA-J TC. > > This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC > discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix > of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons: > > 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java > naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package > names is highly unusual and unconventional. > > 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. > When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot > oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing these > APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered. Both of > these are burdensome on SCA Java developers. > > 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name > prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package > names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names > in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint. > > The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the > convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition, > section 7.7) to the "_oasis-open.org_ <http://oasis-open.org/>" domain > name. In order to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package > prefix would need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J > TC discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix > to OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS > acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available. > > PROCEDURAL > > (Summary) > > This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier > decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite > multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue. > > (Detail) > > This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a > decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off from > implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions to > be answered (ref. [4]). > > I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS > staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. > She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6]) > repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she did not > respond. > > On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that > completely reversed the original decision. There had been no > consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my > two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the > decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could > only be changed by formal appeal. > > This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons > stated above. > > On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with > a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if > we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She acknowledged the > email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days. She > has not done so. > > At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC > has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution > through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this. > > We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. > > Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member > > > REFERENCES > > [1] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_ > > [2] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_ > > [3] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_ > > [4] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_ > > [5] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_ > > [6] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_ > > [7] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_ > > [8] > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_ > > > > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/ > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/ > > > > > > > -- > Mary P McRae > Manager of TC Administration, OASIS_ > __mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> > voip: 603.232.9090 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > / > / > > /Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number > 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/ > > > > > -- Eduardo Gutentag eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org +1 510-550-4616
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