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Subject: Today's raw minutes

Bryan Aupperle, Ph.D.
STSM, WebSphere Enterprise Platform Software Solution Architect

Research Triangle Park,  NC
+1 919-254-7508 (T/L 444-7508)
Internet Address: aupperle@us.ibm.com
[10:21] Mark Combellack: - Roll Call
- Appointment of scribe. List attached below
- Agenda bashing
- Approval of minutes from January 23rd

Issue Status:
Open: 40
1. Review action items:
Action Items that I believe are done:
2008-11-11-5:    MikeE and Dave to write up a proposal to JAVA-1 covering the options decided at the Nov F2F
2009-01-23-01:   Simon Nash to prepare the updated version of the Java CAA spec before Monday 26 Jan 2009
Action Items that I believe are still to be done:
2008-07-15-2:    Vladimir to produce a proposal for JAVA-2
2008-10-20-1:    Simon to write new proposal with textual changes for JAVA-76
2008-11-11-3:    Simon to provide proposal for JAVA-6
2008-11-11-7:    Mark to propose a delta to Simon's action (2008-11-11-6) on JAVA-25 to add support for message correlation on call backs
2008-11-11-8:    SimonN to write spec change proposal to resolve JAVA-19 as directed at the Nov F2F
2008-11-11-12:   Mark to write proposal for JAVA-46 drawing inspiration from the chat log of day 2 of the November F2F
2008-11-11-21:   Mark, Jim and Mike to describe their use cases for JAVA-30
2008-11-11-22:   Mark to draw up some wording for Direction 1 (as discussed at the November F2F) for JAVA-62
2008-11-11-23:   Mark (and others prepared to help) to investigate the WorkManager JEE spec and determine its applicability to SCA for JAVA-62
2008-11-11-27:   SimonN to raise issue on brain-damaged definition of @Service annotation (see comments in Nov F2F raw chat log)
2008-11-11-33:   Simon to write up proposal for JAVA-67 (not in previous minutes but Simon is sure he has this action item)
2009-01-05-03:   Simon to illustrate his proposal for Java-95 with use cases from action item 2009-01-05-02
2009-01-05-03:   Jim to illustrate his proposal for Java-95 with use cases from action item 2009-01-05-02
2009-01-09-01:   Vamsi to produce proposal for JAVA-117

2. Blocking issues
a. JAVA-95: Simplified stateful implementation mechanism to replace conversations
Assembly-94 resolved to "Move support for conversational interfaces to a future version"
Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200901/msg00108.html

b. JAVA-25: Callback Simplification
Updated Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200901/msg00093.html
3. Critical Issue discussion
a. JAVA-27: Security Annotations in generated Component Type
Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200901/msg00085.html
Discussions: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200901/threads.html#00073

b. JAVA-1: Accessing SCA Services from non-SCA component code
Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200901/msg00094.html
c. JAVA-60: Sharing Java artifacts across contributions
Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200901/msg00059.html

4. Other Open Issues discussion
a. Long running processes - Assembly-33
b. JAVA-30: "Process" Scope
proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200812/msg00006.html
c. JAVA-65: There is no lifecycle defined for SCA Components
proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200811/msg00095.html
d. JAVA-102: Need to have a Name parameter on the @Service annotation
proposal: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-102
e. JAVA-62: Clarify what a Component Implementation can do with threads
proposal: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-62
f. JAVA-77: A remotable service SHOULD be translatable into a generally accepted standard for a service, such as WSDL 1.1 or WSDL 2.0
proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200901/msg00029.html
5. Blocking issues waiting for updates/proposals


6. Critical issues waiting for updates/proposals

a. JAVA-54: Section 7.1 of the Java CAA Specification is unclear
No proposal
b. JAVA-6: @AllowsPassByReference requires more detailed description
Blocked by ASSEMBLY-97
c. JAVA-121: Compilable artifacts for Java annotations and APIs
More detailed proposal required
7. AOB
Rotating scribe list:
Peter Walker Sun Microsystems (1)
Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems (2)
Peter Peshev SAP AG (2)
Ron Barack SAP AG (3)
Michael Beisiegel IBM (3)
Sanjay Patil SAP AG (3)
Vladimir Savchenko SAP AG (1)
Jim Marino Individual (4)
Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software Inc. (5)
Plamen Pavlov SAP AG (1)
Bryan Aupperle IBM (5)
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation (5)
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation (5)
Simon Nash Individual (3)
Meeraj Kunnumpurath Individual (2)
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation (7)
Vamsavardhana Chillakuru IBM (3)
Yang Lei (3)
Mike Edwards IBM (6)
[10:34] Mark Combellack: They are currently having phone difficulties dialling in from the SCA-Assembly F2F. They are trying to sort now.
[10:42] Bryan Aupperle: scribe: Bryan
[10:42] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Agenda Bashing
[10:42] Bryan Aupperle: No modifications - agenda as posted
[10:43] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Approval of minutes of 23 Jan.
[10:43] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Minutes of 23 Jan approved w/o.
[10:43] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Action Items
[10:43] Bryan Aupperle: 2008-11-11-5: Done
[10:44] Bryan Aupperle: 2008-10-20-1: Done
[10:45] Bryan Aupperle: 2009-01-05-03 (2x): May be irrelevant based on resolution of Issue 95
[10:45] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Issue 95 (http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-95)
[10:46] Bryan Aupperle: Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200901/msg00108.html
[10:47] Bryan Aupperle: Simon reviews proposal
[11:00] Bryan Aupperle: Motion (Simon, second Mike) to resolve Issue with proposal in linked e-mail.
[11:01] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Issue 95 is resolved w/o.
[11:02] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Issue 25 (http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-25)
[11:02] Bryan Aupperle: Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200901/msg00093.html
[11:02] Bryan Aupperle: Simon reviews proposal
[11:09] Mike Edwards: One concern is that all the callbacks happen during the forward call, which misses one of the major uses cases
[11:09] Mike Edwards: ie. the "long running asynchronous process"
[11:17] Bryan Aupperle: Bryan: In section 6.7.5, does a CallableReference include the callback EPR?
[11:17] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Yes, but perhaps this should be explained in more detail.
[11:19] Bryan Aupperle: Mike E: The combination of this issue and Issue 95 would mean that ServiceReference would have no methods.  Should ServiceReference be removed.
[11:21] Bryan Aupperle: Mark: keeping the name ServiceReference but it would have the methods of the current CallableReference and removing CallableReference makes more sense since we generally talk about services.
[11:21] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: We need to examine the signature of the cast method.
[11:22] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: cast is needed to convert a proxy to Service/CallableReference.
[11:25] Bryan Aupperle: Jim questions this.
[11:26] Bryan Aupperle: Mark: This should be a separate issue.
[11:29] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: (Mike, second Simon) Resolve Issue 25 with text of proposal and additional change of merging CallableReference and ServiceReference with combination to be called ServiceReference.
[11:30] Vamsi: GREAT 
[11:30] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Issue 25 is resolved w/o.
[11:31] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Dependent Issues clean-up
[11:31] Dave Booz: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-68
[11:33] Bryan Aupperle: Discussion as to C-NA vs. Defer.
[11:34] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: (Mike E. second Simon) Close Issue 68, No-Action
[11:34] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Issues 68 is Closed No-Action w/o
[11:34] Dave Booz: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-67
[11:35] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: (Mike E. second Plamen) Close Issue 67, No-Action
[11:36] Vamsi: there is a race for seconding motions 
[11:36] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Issues 67 is Closed No-Action w/o
[11:36] Dave Booz: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-70
[11:37] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: (Mike E. second Simon) Close Issue 70, No-Action
[11:38] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Issues 70 is Closed No-Action w/o
[11:38] Dave Booz: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-14
[11:40] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: (Bryan second Simon) Close Issue 14, No-Action
[11:40] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Issues 14 is Closed No-Action w/o
[11:41] Dave Booz: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-10
[11:43] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: (Simon, second Mike E.) Close Issue 10, No-Action
[11:43] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Issue 10 is Closed No-Action w/o
[11:43] Dave Booz: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-8
[11:44] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: (Simon, second Vamsi) Close Issue 8, No-Action
[11:45] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Issue 8 is Closed No-Action w/o
[11:45] Dave Booz: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-19
[11:47] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: (Mike, second Bryan) Resolve Issue 19 via the resolution of Issue 25.
[11:47] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Issue 19 is resolved w/o.
[11:48] Vamsi: So many "eliminated" 
[11:49] Bryan Aupperle: Topic Issue 27 (http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-27)
[11:49] Bryan Aupperle: Current Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200901/msg00085.html
Discussions: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200901/threads.html#00073
[11:52] Bryan Aupperle: Yang reviews proposal
[11:56] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Would it be possible to have a draft with only the changes specific to the proposal?
[11:58] Bryan Aupperle: Yang will produce such a draft.
[12:00] Bryan Aupperle: AI: (Yang) Produce updated draft for Issue 27 with only relevant changes and answer questions about JSR 250 annotation rules.
[12:00] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: AOB
[12:01] Bryan Aupperle: Straggler role call.

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