[15:17] Mark Combellack: - Roll Call
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=sca-j
- Appointment of scribe. List attached below
- Agenda bashing
- Approval of minutes for 7th August 2009
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33693/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-08-07.doc
0. Administration
- Issue Status: Open: 20
- SCA-J Public Review
Started: 8th June 2009
Ended: 7th August 2009
1. Review action items:
Action Items that I believe are done:
2009-08-07-01: Mike to create wd03 for the spring spec
Action Items that I believe are still to be done:
2008-11-11-22: Mark to draw up some wording for Direction 1 (as discussed at the November F2F) for JAVA-62
2008-11-11-23: Mark (and others prepared to help) to investigate the WorkManager JEE spec and determine its applicability to SCA for JAVA-62
2009-05-11-01: Editors: remove extra space on line 767 of CD01 (PDF)
2009-06-19-01: Mike E to prepare a detailed proposal for Issue 149
2009-07-06-01: Dave B to raise to liaison (so that other C&Is can consider and possibly assembly) that non-XML based C&Is should state how the conversion of property values happens
2009-07-13-01: Mike E to produce text for JAVA-167
2009-07-13-03: Anish to create a proposal for the list of annotations which make sense for JAVA-166
2009-07-17-01: Mike to create an example of the componentType introspection (JAVA-58)
2009-07-27-01: Chairs to find potential replacement time for one or both of the cancelled calls.
2009-07-27-02: Mike E to prepare set of slides for Issue 127
2. SCA-J Test Suite
Discussion on the Test Assertions and Test Cases documents
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200906/msg00078.html
PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33547/SCA_J_CAA_Test_Assertions_6.pdf
ODT: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33548/SCA_J_CAA_Test_Assertions_6.odt
Proposal updated: See http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00096.html
3. New Issues (Excluding EJB/Spring new issues)
a. JAVA-176: Java CI spec JavaImplementation complexType decl should not have <anyAttribute>
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-176
Proposal in Jira
4. Open Issues
a. Updated SCA XSDs
The SCA XSDs have been updated. See:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00016.html
b. New WD03 of Spring specification
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33692/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD03.pdf
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33691/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD03.doc
c. JAVA-63: SCA Spring C & I specification does not state whether Constructor Injection should be supported
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-63
Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00019.html
MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33690/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD03%2BIssue63.pdf
PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33689/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD03%2BIssue63.doc
d. JAVA-107: RFC2119 Language is needed for the EJB Binding Specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-107
Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00100.html
PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33580/sca-ejbbinding-1.1-spec-wd-04%20issue107_v3.pdf
MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33579/sca-ejbbinding-1.1-spec-wd-04%20issue107_v3.doc
Latest discussion: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00111.html
e. JAVA-150: SCA Spring C & I specification need to mention how SCA runtime should load multiple application context files.
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-150
Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00083.html
5. Issues waiting for updated proposals
a. JAVA-155: Inconsistent normative statements in Chapter 10
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-155
Discuss - What do we do next?
Waiting for updated proposal
b. JAVA-127: Long running request/response operations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-127
Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200812/msg00089.html
Waiting for presentation slides
c. JAVA-168: Conversion rules for property values are not specified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-168
Proposed direction: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00004.html
Waiting for full proposal
d. JAVA-46: equals() method on ServiceReference and CallableReference
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-46
Waiting for updated proposal
e. JAVA-171: Duplicate normative statements in Java CI and Java CAA
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-171
Waiting for updated proposal
f. JAVA-172: Java CAA spec - Incorrect use of RFC2119 keywords
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-172
Waiting for updated proposal
6. Issues without proposals
a. JAVA-51: More examples on <interface.wsdl> mapping to Java
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-51
No proposal
b. JAVA-54: Section 7.1 of the Java CAA Specification is unclear
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-154
No proposal
c. JAVA-62: Clarify what a Component Implementation can do with threads
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-62
No proposal
d. JAVA-156: Intent annotations are missing from Java CAA as compared to Policy FW spec
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-156
No proposal
7. AOB
a. Straggler roll call
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Rotating scribe list:
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation (12)
Graham Charters IBM (5)
Mike Edwards IBM (12)
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation (13)
Bryan Aupperle IBM (14)
Yang Lei IBM (10)
Simon Nash Individual (10)
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation (12)
[15:35] Martin C: phone line seems quiet
[15:35] Mark Combellack: We are in and talking
[15:36] Martin C: let me dial back in as you guys are muted!
[15:37] Bryan Aupperle: Scribe: Bryan Aupperle
[15:37] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Agenda Bashing
[15:38] Bryan Aupperle: No comments - will proceed with posted agenda
[15:38] Bryan Aupperle: Topic Approval of Minutes of 7 Aug.
[15:39] Bryan Aupperle: No comments or objections so minutes approved.
[15:39] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Administration
[15:39] Bryan Aupperle: Public review has ended with no comments
[15:39] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Action Items
[15:40] Mark Combellack: My phone line has just dropped
[15:40] Mark Combellack: :-(
[15:40] Bryan Aupperle: 2009-08-07-01 - Done
[15:40] Bryan Aupperle: All others ongoing
[15:41] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Test Suite
[15:41] Bryan Aupperle: Still looking for comments
[15:42] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: JAVA-176: Java CI spec JavaImplementation complexType decl should not have <anyAttribute>
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-176
[15:42] Bryan Aupperle: Mike reviews issue
[15:44] Bryan Aupperle: Bryan: Is the same problem in the JavaInterface type?
[15:44] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Possibly, but that is in a different spec.
[15:44] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: Yes, it does have the same problem
[15:45] Simon Nash: hi. can anyone hear me?
[15:45] Mark Combellack: Not heard you speak yet simon
[15:45] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: We need another issue.
[15:45] Simon Nash: i will redial
[15:46] Bryan Aupperle: Action Item (Bryan) Open issue against CAA spec regarding anyAtrribute in JavaInterface type.
[15:46] Simon Nash: tryin again..
[15:46] Simon Nash: clearly not working
[15:46] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Mike, second Dave - Open Java-176
[15:46] Simon Nash: ????
[15:46] Mark Combellack: My phone has dropped me again
[15:46] Mark Combellack: brb
[15:46] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: motion passes w/o
[15:46] Simon Nash: anyone else dialed in to the 0808 UK number?
[15:47] Mark Combellack: Yes - It has kicked me out twice so far
[15:47] Bryan Aupperle: Mike reviews proposed resolution
[15:47] Simon Nash: it seems like I get connected for a few seconds and I can hear others but they can't hear me. then everything goes quiet.
[15:48] Simon Nash: i can hear people for 3 seconds
[15:48] Simon Nash: before it all goes quiet
[15:48] Martin C: i had the other way round when i first dialled in, heard nothing
[15:49] Simon Nash: no sure what to do. if I can't be heard, I can't officially attend the call.
[15:49] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Mike, second Dave - Resolve Java-176 as proposed in JIRA
[15:49] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: motion passes w/o
[15:50] Mike Edwards: I could try conferencing you in Simon
[15:50] Mike Edwards: can u give me a number to dial
[15:50] Simon Nash: ok thanks. please dial **************
[15:51] Dave Booz FWIW, Mike E and I will discuss switching to use the Assembly TC numbers in the future
[15:52] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Updated SCA XSDs (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00016.html)
[15:52] Bryan Aupperle: Mike reviews what has been uploaded.
[15:53] Mark Combellack: I have been kicked off again - going to redial via the US - brb
[15:54] Mark Combellack: back
[15:55] Bryan Aupperle: Bryan: Are these available of modification?
[15:55] Bryan Aupperle: Mike Yes.
[15:56] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: The Java CI should be CD2 not 3.
[15:56] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: I will look at why I used 3.
[15:57] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: New WD03 of Spring specification
[15:58] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: This simply folds in the changes to Java-106 and all those upon 106 was built and serves as a base for future issues.
[15:59] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: JAVA-63: SCA Spring C & I specification does not state whether Constructor Injection should be supported
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-63
Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00019.html
MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33690/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD03%2BIssue63.pdf
PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33689/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD03%2BIssue63.doc
[15:59] Bryan Aupperle: Mike reviews proposal
[16:08] anonymous morphed into anish
[16:08] Mark Combellack: There is a must in line 110: "Each <property/> represents a dependency of the bean class, which must be injected into the class when it is instantiated"
[16:09] Mark Combellack: Actually there appears to be a must in each of the 2.1.1.x sections
[16:13] Bryan Aupperle: Bryan: Does the top of 2.1 need a reference to the spring spec?
[16:14] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: Are the terms Inner Beans and Anonymous Beans defined by spring?
[16:15] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Inner Beans is defined by spring. Anonymous Beans is not. In fact, the ID for such a bean is created by spring and not accessible.
[16:16] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: Then we should not bold highlight that term.
[16:17] Mike Edwards: Mike moves to resolve Issue 63 using the proposal in the document http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33689/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD03%2BIssue63.doc with the 3 changes:
[16:17] Mike Edwards: 1) In section 2.1, add a reference to the Spring specification
[16:17] Mike Edwards: 2) In section 2.1.1.1, remove the highlight of the term "anonymous"
[16:18] Mike Edwards: 3) In sections 2.1.1.3 & 2.1.1.4 change the word "must" to "have to"
[16:19] anish: there is a must in 2.1.1.1 as well
[16:20] Mike Edwards: Mike moves to amend the motion to add an extra change:
[16:20] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Mike, second Bryan: See text in preceding lines.
[16:21] Mike Edwards: 4) In section 2.1.1.1 change "must always be" to "have to be"
[16:21] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: line 112 has a "required" in it.
[16:22] Mike Edwards: 5) In section 2.1.1.3, change "required" to "needed"
[16:23] Bryan Aupperle: Motion (to ammend) Mike, second Anish - Add points 44) and 5) to the list of changes
[16:23] Mike Edwards: Amended motion:
[16:23] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Motion (to amend) passes w/o
[16:24] Mike Edwards: Resolve Issue 63 using the proposal in the document http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33689/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD03%2BIssue63.doc with the 3 changes:
1) In section 2.1, add a reference to the Spring specification
2) In section 2.1.1.1, remove the highlight of the term "anonymous"
3) In sections 2.1.1.3 & 2.1.1.4 change the word "must" to "have to"
4) In section 2.1.1.1 change "must always be" to "have to be"
5) In section 2.1.1.3, change "required" to "needed"
[16:25] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: motion passes w/o
[16:26] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: JAVA-107: RFC2119 Language is needed for the EJB Binding Specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-107
Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00100.html
PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33580/sca-ejbbinding-1.1-spec-wd-04%20issue107_v3.pdf
MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33579/sca-ejbbinding-1.1-spec-wd-04%20issue107_v3.doc
Latest discussion: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00111.html
[16:27] anish: v4: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/doc00005.doc
[16:29] Bryan Aupperle: Dave reviews status of V4.
[16:30] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: This draft should be properly reviewed since a number of normative statements have been added.
[16:32] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Section 3 has very little discussion of SCA services.
[16:35] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: look at line 287.
[16:35] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: There should be a link to this from section 3
[16:38] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Is the relationship between the SCA interface and EJB business interface defined.
[16:39] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: Yes, in section 3.1 (but needs to be improved for services)
[16:43] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: Reminds us that this is the EJBBinding spec, and not the JEE CI spec.
[16:43] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Perhaps some examples would make this clearer.
[16:43] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: There are use-cases in appendix A that we can point to.
[16:48] Bryan Aupperle: Dave and Simon discuss need to be explicit about SCA Reference vs. EJB reference.
[16:49] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: JAVA-150: SCA Spring C & I specification need to mention how SCA runtime should load multiple application context files.
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-150
Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00083.html
[16:49] Bryan Aupperle: Ram is not on the call today so skip this topic.
[16:50] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: AOB.
[16:50] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Should be assign owners to the issues without proposals?
[16:52] Bryan Aupperle: JAVA-51: More examples on <interface.wsdl> mapping to Java
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-51
[16:55] Bryan Aupperle: Discussion about the relationship of this issue to issue 155.
[16:58] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Simon, second Mike - Close Java-51 with No Action
[16:58] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: motion passes w/o
[16:58] Bryan Aupperle: JAVA-54: Section 7.1 of the Java CAA Specification is unclear
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-154
[17:00] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: The approach we took for Java-1 lays out a good pattern for the description of each method.
[17:01] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: There are likely hidden normative statements.
[17:01] Bryan Aupperle: Mike accepts ownership of Java-154.
[17:02] Mark Combellack: Meeting ajourned
[17:02] Mark Combellack: Bryan - I'll post the raw log as I want to remove Simon's number from it
[17:02] Simon Nash: thanks!
[17:02] Simon Nash: apreacited
[17:02] Simon Nash: or even.. appreciated
[17:03] Bryan Aupperle: OK
[17:04] Mark Combellack: Thanks
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