[sca-j] Java TC Aug 28th minutes(raw)

["Pavlov, Plamen" <plamen.pavlov@sap.com>]

Mark Combellack: - Roll Call

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=sca-j

- Appointment of scribe. List attached below

- Agenda bashing

- Approval of minutes for 24th August 2009

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33940/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-08-24.doc

0. Administration 

- Issue Status: Open: 21

- SCA-J CAA and C&I Public Review ended on 7th August 2009

- Reminder: No calls on Monday 31st August and Monday 7th September. Friday calls still on.

1. Review action items:

Action Items that I believe are done:

Action Items that I believe are still to be done:

2008-11-11-22: Mark to draw up some wording for Direction 1 (as discussed at the November F2F) for JAVA-62

2008-11-11-23: Mark (and others prepared to help) to investigate the WorkManager JEE spec and determine its applicability to SCA for JAVA-62

2009-07-06-01: Dave B to raise to liaison (so that other C&Is can consider and possibly assembly) that non-XML based C&Is should state how the conversion of property values happens

2009-07-13-03: Anish to create a proposal for the list of annotations which make sense for JAVA-166

2009-07-17-01: Mike to create an example of the componentType introspection (JAVA-5

2009-07-27-02: Mike E to prepare set of slides for Issue 127

2. Vote the EJB binding to CD01

Discuss whether we should vote to publish EJB Binding CD01

(The approval of a Committee Draft shall require a Full Majority Vote - i.e. over 50% of all voting members)

Latest WD PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33809/sca-ejbbinding-1.1-spec-wd-05.pdf

Latest WD MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/33808/sca-ejbbinding-1.1-spec-wd-05.doc

3. New Issues

a. JAVA-178: Wrong uri specified for the SCA JSP TagLib

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-178

Proposal in Jira (Mark)

b. JAVA-179: Need type support for @Property when used with SDO

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-179

Proposal in Jira as 2 word documents (Dave)

http://www.osoa.org/jira/secure/attachment/10541/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03%2Bissue179.doc

http://www.osoa.org/jira/secure/attachment/10540/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-cd01-rev1%2Bissue179.doc

c. JAVA-180: Wrong uri specified for the SCA JSP TagLib

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-180

Duplicate of JAVA-178 (Mark)

d. JAVA-181: Catch 22 when trying to prevent property introspection

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-181

Proposal in Jira (Simon)

4. Open Issues

a. JAVA-156: Intent annotations are missing from Java CAA as compared to Policy FW spec

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-156

Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00085.html (Dave)

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33944/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03%20issue156v1.doc

b. JAVA-172: Java CAA spec - Incorrect use of RFC2119 keywords

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-172

Proposal in Jira (Dave)

c. JAVA-171: Duplicate normative statements in Java CI and Java CAA

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-171

Proposal in Jira (Dave)

d. JAVA-155: Inconsistent normative statements in Chapter 10

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-155

Discuss - What do we do next? (Simon)

e. JAVA-103: @Remotable annotation incorrectly marked as optional in Java EE spec

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-103

Proposal in Jira (Mike)

f. JAVA-150: SCA Spring C & I specification need to mention how SCA runtime should load multiple application context files.

   JAVA-173: SCA Spring C & I specification should mention how implicit services should be determined for special bean definitions

   JAVA-175: SCA Spring C & I specification should use "id" of the bean to uniquely identify a bean instead of its name

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-150

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-173

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-175

Latest proposal containing updates for JAVA-150, JAVA-173 and JAVA-175 (Ram)

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33936/sca-springci-1%5B1%5D.1-spec-WD04-Issue173-175-150.doc

g. JAVA-88: Java EE Spec: The @archive attribute of the implementation.jee element needs fixing

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-88

No proposal

h. JAVA-91: Java EE Spec: Need to define the derivation of the name of a component contributed to the Domain by an application.composite file

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-91

No proposal

i. JAVA-93: JEE Integration spec needs to define how effective CT is calculated

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-93

No proposal

j. JAVA-108: RFC2119 Language is needed for the SCA-JEE Specification

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-108

No proposal

5. Issues waiting for updated proposals

a. JAVA-114: Spring CI runtime behaviour when annotation rules are violated

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-114

Proposal in Jira

Blocked by JAVA-166

b. JAVA-166: Spring C&I does not say anything about SCA annotations

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-166

Waiting for list of Annotations (Anish Action Item)

c. JAVA-90: Java EE Spec: Section 5.1.1 normative change needs ratifying

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-90

Proposal in Jira

Waiting for updated proposal (Dave)

d. JAVA-109: Property and reference names computed from SCA annotations in web modules not specified explicitly

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-109

Proposal in Jira

Waiting for updated proposal (Vamsi)

e. JAVA-109: Property and reference names computed from SCA annotations in web modules not specified explicitly

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-109

Waiting for updated proposal (Vamsi)

6. Issues with no proposals

a. JAVA-174: Consider portlets in the SCA JEE specification

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-174

7. AOB

a. Straggler roll call

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Rotating scribe list:

Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation (12)

Graham Charters IBM (5)

Simon Nash Individual (10)

Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation (12)

Mike Edwards IBM (12)

Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation (14)

Bryan Aupperle IBM (16)

Yang Lei IBM (11)

Plamen: Scribe: Plamen

Plamen: Agenda bashing

Plamen: no updates

Plamen: Approval of minutes for 24th August 2009

Plamen: no objections to approve the minutes

Plamen: Administration

Ashok Mark, I'm on the call

Plamen: no calls on the next 2 mondays

Plamen: Action Items

Plamen: no updates of the Action items

Plamen: Vote the EJB binding to CD01

Plamen: Dave describes the status

anonymous morphed into anish

Plamen: Bryan, what about the copyrights?

Plamen: Mike and Martin, this could be done later

Plamen: Motion: Dave moves to make WD05 of EJB binding to be CD01, Mike seconds

Plamen: motion passes without objections

anish: will we be publishing this CD?

Plamen: Anish and Martin, it makes sense to publish the CD

Mike Edwards: +1 to publish

Plamen: New Issues

Plamen: Issue: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-178

Plamen: Mark walk us through the issue

anish: looks like we can resolve it now

Plamen: Motion: Mark moves to open JAVA-178, Mike seconds

Plamen: no objections, motion passes and the issue is opened

Plamen: Motion: Mark moves to resolve JAVA-178 with proposal in the JIRA, Mike seconds

Plamen: no objections, JAVA-178 is resolved

Plamen: Issue: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-179

Plamen: Dave describes the issue

Plamen: Motion: Dave moves to JAVA-179, Bryan seconds

Plamen: no objections, JAVA-179 is opened

Plamen: Issue: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-180

Plamen: duplications of existing issue

anish: close as dup of 178

Plamen: Motion: Mike moves to close JAVA-180 with no action, Bryan seconds

Plamen: no objections, JAVA-180 is closed

Plamen: Issue: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-181

Plamen: Mike run us through the issue as Simon in not on the call

Plamen: Dave, what about if one do not have @Service

Plamen: Motion: Mike moves to open JAVA-181 extending it to cover the case of automated service introspection, Dave seconds

Plamen: no objections, motion passes and JAVA-181 is opened

Plamen: 4. Open Issues

Plamen: Issue: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-156

Plamen: Dave describes the proposal

Plamen: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33944/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03%20issue156v1.doc

anish: i have a Q that is only slightly related to this issue: it seems like the CI doc requires that all the annotations be supported by the runtime. I.e. the policy spec does not require that all the intents be supported but if you support JavaCI you must

Ashok: Anish, there is an issue in the Policy TC re. whether all intents shd be supported

anish: ashok, but as of now support for all intents is not required per policy. right?

Plamen: Mike, why none of transaction intents related to binding were not seen

Ashok: Yes, Anish, that is correct ... your question is worth asking

Plamen: Dave, Constants file was updated as needed for the examples

Plamen: Mike, it makes sense to raise an issue about changes in the Constants class

Mike Edwards: I believe that all the intent annotations MUST be regarded as valid

Mike Edwards: a runtime can choose not to satisfy any given intent

Mike Edwards: but that is very different

Mike Edwards: what I don't expect to happen is that a Java class will get rejected just because it has eg. @ManagedSharedTransaction annotation

Mike Edwards: the whole deployment may fail because the runtime cannot/does not honour the managedSharedTransaction intent

Plamen: Motion: Dave moves to resolve Java-156 with described proposal, Ashok seconds

Plamen: motion passes without objections, JAVA-156 is resolved

Plamen: Issue: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-172

Plamen: Dave describes the proposal

anish: +1

Mike Edwards: Here is proposed text for d)

Mike Edwards: For SCA reference interfaces defined using interface.java, the SCA runtime MUST accept a Java interface which contains the additional client-side asynchronous polling and callback methods defined by JAX-WS. [JCA100007

anish thinking about whether there is a better word than 'accept'

Plamen: s/accept/support/

Plamen: Anish, what about part e) there is no corresponding proposal

Plamen: Dave, we could ignore e)

Plamen: Anish, agree

Dave Booz: motion: m:Dave "resolve 172 with parts b) and c) form the JIRA proposal and part d) from minutes"

Plamen: Mike seconds

Plamen: no objections, motion passes and JAVA-172 is resolved

Plamen: Straggler roll call

Plamen: next meeting, next Friday

Plamen: COB