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[15:20] Mark Combellack: - Roll Call
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=sca-j
- Appointment of scribe. List attached below
- Agenda bashing
- Approval of minutes for 28th September 2009
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34440/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-09-28.doc


0. Administration 
- Issue Status: Open: 21
- SCA-J CAA and C&I Public Review ended on 7th August 2009


1. Review action items:

Action Items that I believe are done:
2009-09-28-01: Dave to restructure JCI-TA-5002 into multiple TAs with simpler predicates in Test Assertions for the SCA POJO Component Implementation specification
2009-09-28-02: Dave to raise an issue to simplify [JCI50002] normative statement & reduce JCI-TA-5003 & JCI-TA-5004 to a single TA
2009-09-28-03: Dave to raise an issue to simplify [JCI50005] (and JCI-TA-5005)
2009-09-28-04: Dave to update the TA document to point to the CD01-Rev1 of the spec document

Action Items that I believe are still to be done:
2008-11-11-22: Mark to draw up some wording for Direction 1 (as discussed at the November F2F) for JAVA-62
2008-11-11-23: Mark (and others prepared to help) to investigate the WorkManager JEE spec and determine its applicability to SCA for JAVA-62
2009-07-06-01: Dave B to raise to liaison (so that other C&Is can consider and possibly assembly) that non-XML based C&Is should state how the conversion of property values happens
2009-07-13-03: Anish to create a proposal for the list of annotations which make sense for JAVA-166
2009-07-17-01: Mike to create an example of the componentType introspection (JAVA-58)
2009-07-27-02: Mike E to prepare set of slides for Issue 127
2009-09-28-05: Dave to look at unstated prereqs for JCI-TA-8005/8006


2. New Issues

a. JAVA-186: JCI50002 and JCI50005 are not well written
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-186
Proposal in Jira (Dave)

b. JAVA-187: JCA30008 is unnecessary
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-187
Proposal in Jira (Dave)


3. Open Issues with proposals ready for discussion (JAA and C&I)

None


4. Open Issues with proposals ready for discussion (Spring/EJB/JEE)

None


5. Test Assertions Documents (For review)

a. SCA Pojo CI Test Assertions document
First pass of the Test Assertions document for SCA POJO CI specification (Dave)
Continued: Previously completed section 8
See: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00094.html
PDF (updated): http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34445/SCA_POJO_CI_Test_Assertions_2.pdf
ODT (updated): http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34444/SCA_POJO_CI_Test_Assertions_2.odt

b. EJB Binding Test Assertions document
First pass of the Test Assertions document for the SCA EJB Binding specification (Dave)
See: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200909/msg00004.html
PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34028/SCA_EJB_Binding_Test_Assertions_1.pdf
ODT: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34029/SCA_EJB_Binding_Test_Assertions_1.odt

c. CAA Test Cases document
ODT: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34484/sca-j-caa-1.1-testcases-wd04.odt (Mike/Dave)


6. Issues waiting for updated proposals (JAA and C&I)

a. JAVA-127: Long running request/response operations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-127
Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200812/msg00089.html
Waiting for presentation slides (Mike)

b. JAVA-168: Conversion rules for property values are not specified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-168
Proposed direction: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00004.html
Waiting for full proposal (Simon)

c. JAVA-46: equals() method on ServiceReference and CallableReference
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-46
Waiting for updated proposal (Mark)

d. JAVA-54: Section 7.1 of the Java CAA Specification is unclear
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-154
Waiting for proposal (Mike)

e. JAVA-62: Clarify what a Component Implementation can do with threads
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-62
Waiting for proposal (Mark)

f. JAVA-155: Inconsistent normative statements in Chapter 10
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-155
Discuss - What do we do next?
Waiting for updated proposal (Simon)

g. JAVA-171: Duplicate normative statements in Java CI and Java CAA 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-171
Waiting for updated proposal (Dave)

h. JAVA-179: Need type support for @Property when used with SDO
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-179
Proposal in Jira as 2 word documents (Dave)
http://www.osoa.org/jira/secure/attachment/10541/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03%2Bissue179.doc
http://www.osoa.org/jira/secure/attachment/10540/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-cd01-rev1%2Bissue179.doc
Simon's JAXB annotation investigation: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200909/msg00024.html
Waiting for updated proposal (Dave)

i. JAVA-184: Method Exclusion
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-184
Waiting for updated proposal (Bryan)


7. Issues waiting for updated proposals (Spring/EJB/JEE)

a. JAVA-114: Spring CI runtime behaviour when annotation rules are violated
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-114
Proposal in Jira
Blocked by JAVA-166

b. JAVA-166: Spring C&I does not say anything about SCA annotations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-166
Waiting for list of Annotations (Anish Action Item)

c. JAVA-109: Property and reference names computed from SCA annotations in web modules not specified explicitly
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-109
Proposal in Jira
Waiting for updated proposal (Vamsi)

d. JAVA-182: SCA Spring C & I specs needs to refactor text under abstract and introduction
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-182
No proposal (Ram)

e. JAVA-174: Consider portlets in the SCA JEE specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-174

f. JAVA-150: SCA Spring C & I specification need to mention how SCA runtime should load multiple application context files.
   JAVA-173: SCA Spring C & I specification should mention how implicit services should be determined for special bean definitions
   JAVA-175: SCA Spring C & I specification should use "id" of the bean to uniquely identify a bean instead of its name
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-150
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-173
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-175
Latest proposal containing updates for JAVA-150, JAVA-173 and JAVA-175 (Ram)
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33936/sca-springci-1%5B1%5D.1-spec-WD04-Issue173-175-150.doc
Waiting for updated proposal (Ram)

g. JAVA-91: Java EE Spec: Need to define the derivation of the name of a component contributed to the Domain by an application.composite file
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-91
Waiting for updated proposal (Mike)

h. JAVA-93: JEE Integration spec needs to define how effective CT is calculated
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-93
Waiting for updated proposal (Anish)

i. JAVA-108: RFC2119 Language is needed for the SCA-JEE Specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-108
Waiting for updated proposal

j. JAVA-88: Java EE Spec: The @archive attribute of the implementation.jee element needs fixing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-88
No proposal
Plamen to check whether on his informal JEE issues list


8. AOB

a. Straggler roll call


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Rotating scribe list:

Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation (12)
Graham Charters IBM (5)
Yang Lei IBM (11)
Plamen Pavlov SAP AG (3)
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation (13)
Simon Nash Individual (11)
Bryan Aupperle IBM (17)
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation (15)
Mike Edwards IBM (14)
[15:44] Mark Combellack: Meeting adjourned due to lack of numbers
[15:44] Mark Combellack: and failed to achieve quorum
[15:45] Mark Combellack: 4/10 voting members (40%)



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