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Subject: Raw chat log of 2009-10-12 telcon
Mark Combellack: - Roll Call http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=sca-j - Appointment of scribe. List attached below - Agenda bashing - Approval of minutes for 28th September 2009 and 2nd October 2009 http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34440/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-09-28.doc http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34508/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-10-05.doc 0. Administration - Issue Status: Open: 21 - SCA-J CAA and C&I Public Review ended on 7th August 2009 1. Review action items: Action Items that I believe are done: Action Items that I believe are still to be done: 2008-11-11-22: Mark to draw up some wording for Direction 1 (as discussed at the November F2F) for JAVA-62 2008-11-11-23: Mark (and others prepared to help) to investigate the WorkManager JEE spec and determine its applicability to SCA for JAVA-62 2009-07-06-01: Dave B to raise to liaison (so that other C&Is can consider and possibly assembly) that non-XML based C&Is should state how the conversion of property values happens 2009-07-13-03: Anish to create a proposal for the list of annotations which make sense for JAVA-166 2009-07-17-01: Mike to create an example of the componentType introspection (JAVA-5 2009-07-27-02: Mike E to prepare set of slides for Issue 127 2009-09-28-05: Dave to look at unstated prereqs for JCI-TA-8005/8006 2. Open Issues with proposals ready for discussion (JAA and C&I) a. JAVA-184: Method Exclusion http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-184 Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200910/msg00075.html (Bryan) MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34603/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%2BIssue184a.doc PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34604/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%2BIssue184a.pdf 3. Open Issues with proposals ready for discussion (Spring/EJB/JEE) a. JAVA-150: SCA Spring C & I specification need to mention how SCA runtime should load multiple application context files. JAVA-173: SCA Spring C & I specification should mention how implicit services should be determined for special bean definitions JAVA-175: SCA Spring C & I specification should use "id" of the bean to uniquely identify a bean instead of its name http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-150 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-173 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-175 Latest proposal containing updates for JAVA-150, JAVA-173 and JAVA-175 (Ram) http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34575/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD04-Issue173-175-150_v2.doc (Ram) 4. New Issues (Requires Quorm) a. JAVA-186: JCI50002 and JCI50005 are not well written http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-186 Proposal in Jira (Dave) b. JAVA-187: JCA30008 is unnecessary http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-187 Proposal in Jira (Dave) c. JAVA-188: Schema type for JavaInterface has duplicate remotable attribute against the base Interface http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-188 Proposal in Jira (Raymond) Alternative proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200910/msg00043.html (Dave) d. JAVA-189: Normative statement JCA90014 has the wrong form http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-189 Proposal in Jira (Mike) 5. Test Cases and Test Assertions Documents (For review) a. CAA Test Cases document See: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200910/msg00084.html PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34614/sca-j-caa-1.1-testcases-wd11.pdf (Mike/Dave) ODT: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34613/sca-j-caa-1.1-testcases-wd11.odt b. CAA Test Assertions document ODT: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34610/sca-j-caa-1.1-test-assertions-wd09.odt (Mike) c. SCA Pojo CI Test Assertions document First pass of the Test Assertions document for SCA POJO CI specification (Dave) Continued: Previously completed section 8 See: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200908/msg00094.html PDF (updated): http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34445/SCA_POJO_CI_Test_Assertions_2.pdf ODT (updated): http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34444/SCA_POJO_CI_Test_Assertions_2.odt d. EJB Binding Test Assertions document First pass of the Test Assertions document for the SCA EJB Binding specification (Dave) See: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200909/msg00004.html PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34028/SCA_EJB_Binding_Test_Assertions_1.pdf ODT: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34029/SCA_EJB_Binding_Test_Assertions_1.odt 6. Issues waiting for updated proposals (JAA and C&I) a. JAVA-127: Long running request/response operations http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-127 Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200812/msg00089.html Waiting for presentation slides (Mike) b. JAVA-168: Conversion rules for property values are not specified http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-168 Proposed direction: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00004.html Waiting for full proposal (Simon) c. JAVA-46: equals() method on ServiceReference and CallableReference http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-46 Waiting for updated proposal (Mark) d. JAVA-54: Section 7.1 of the Java CAA Specification is unclear http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-154 Waiting for proposal (Mike) e. JAVA-62: Clarify what a Component Implementation can do with threads http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-62 Waiting for proposal (Mark) f. JAVA-155: Inconsistent normative statements in Chapter 10 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-155 Discuss - What do we do next? Waiting for updated proposal (Simon) g. JAVA-171: Duplicate normative statements in Java CI and Java CAA http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-171 Waiting for updated proposal (Dave) h. JAVA-179: Need type support for @Property when used with SDO http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-179 Proposal in Jira as 2 word documents (Dave) http://www.osoa.org/jira/secure/attachment/10541/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03%2Bissue179.doc http://www.osoa.org/jira/secure/attachment/10540/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-cd01-rev1%2Bissue179.doc Simon's JAXB annotation investigation: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200909/msg00024.html Waiting for updated proposal (Dave) 7. Issues waiting for updated proposals (Spring/EJB/JEE) a. JAVA-114: Spring CI runtime behaviour when annotation rules are violated http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-114 Proposal in Jira Blocked by JAVA-166 b. JAVA-166: Spring C&I does not say anything about SCA annotations http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-166 Waiting for list of Annotations (Anish Action Item) c. JAVA-109: Property and reference names computed from SCA annotations in web modules not specified explicitly http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-109 Proposal in Jira Waiting for updated proposal (Vamsi) d. JAVA-182: SCA Spring C & I specs needs to refactor text under abstract and introduction http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-182 No proposal (Ram) e. JAVA-174: Consider portlets in the SCA JEE specification http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-174 f. JAVA-91: Java EE Spec: Need to define the derivation of the name of a component contributed to the Domain by an application.composite file http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-91 Waiting for updated proposal (Mike) g. JAVA-93: JEE Integration spec needs to define how effective CT is calculated http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-93 Waiting for updated proposal (Anish) h. JAVA-108: RFC2119 Language is needed for the SCA-JEE Specification http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-108 Waiting for updated proposal i. JAVA-88: Java EE Spec: The @archive attribute of the implementation.jee element needs fixing http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-88 No proposal Plamen to check whether on his informal JEE issues list 8. AOB a. Straggler roll call --------------------------------------------------------------- Rotating scribe list: Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation (12) Graham Charters IBM (5) Yang Lei IBM (11) Plamen Pavlov SAP AG (3) Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation (13) Simon Nash Individual (11) Bryan Aupperle IBM (17) Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation (15) Mike Edwards IBM (14) Mark Combellack: As Dave is not on the call today - I am hoping that he has arranged with someone from IBM to start the call for us. Mike Edwards: Bryan - are you able to start the call? Bryan Aupperle: I'm trying to find the moderator passcode... Bryan Aupperle: Found it. Give me a sec to redial. Mike Edwards: I can't dial in at the moment Mike Edwards: I am at a Rational conference and there is no mobile phone signal - we are in a conference area well below ground level Mike Edwards: Do you need me to call in to make quorum? Bryan Aupperle: OI must have an ole one. I'm still looking... Mark Combellack: Yes but I don't think we will achieve quorum - looks like we have 3 of the 5 required voting members Mark Combellack: (9 voting members in roster atm) Mark Combellack: 5 people will loose voting rights today if they do not get on the roll for the call Mike Edwards: k - I will have to go outside but that means losing internet access I think Bryan Aupperle: I cannot find the correct passcode. Bryan Aupperle: I think we will need a different callin # Mike Edwards: Bryan - I may have it Bryan Aupperle: Let use this Bryan Aupperle: CountryToll-free (IBM Pays)Toll (Caller Pays) Australia 1-800-24-2283 Austria0800-292-738 +43 179576264 Belgium0800-7-3026+32 22006114 Canada 877-421-0033770-615-1250 China North China South 10800-711-0770 10800-110-0713 Czech Republic 800-143-241 +420-272-133-001 or +420-533-413-001 Denmark80-888377+45 38323070 Finland0800-914-630+358 972519061 France0800-902366+33 157323040 or +33 157323041 Germany0800-181-6323+49 6951709081 Greece 00-800-11-004-9793 Hungary 06-800-16-381 India 000-800-100-1156 Ireland1800-558728+353 16569209 Israel 1-809-317-098 +972-3-9165956 Italy800-788634+39 0269430413 Mexico 877-421-0033770-615-1250 Netherlands0800-022-8558+31 202008077 Norway800-18373+47 24159528 PolandIBM PlusGSM mobile 85400+48 22 366 5400 or +48 22 609 5400 Portugal 800-8-11111 Russia 8-10-800-2-172-10-44 Slovakia +421-2-4954-6539 or +421-2-4964-9935 South Africa 0800-981-078 Spain900-95-1089+34 912754171 Sweden020-799414+46 850163259 Switzerland0800-564-331+41 446545620 United Kingdom0808-234-1969+44 2070260533 USA877-421-0033770-615-1250 Bryan Aupperle: Passcode: 247317 Mark Combellack: OK - SCA-J call moving to numbers listed above Mark Combellack: See you all there in a moment or two Mike Edwards: k Mark Combellack: so far on the new number we have myself and Ram Mark Combellack: Mike - are you dialling into the number or are you sticking with internet access? Mike Edwards: no signal yet Mark Combellack: ok Mike Edwards: I am trying to get my mobile going anish: Scribe: Anish Karmarkar anish: scribeNice: anish anish: scribeNick: anish anish: Not quorate, yet anish: Topic: admin anish: 21 open issues, CI and CAA PR ended 7th aug anish: Topic: AI anish: no change to status of AIs anish: Topic: Issue 184 anish: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-184 Latest proposal: (Bryan) MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34603/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%2BIssue184a.doc PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34604/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%2BIssue184a.pdf anish: Bryan explains his proposal Mark Combellack: If you are just trying to join the conference - we have moved number see above anish: Did a complete survey of JAX-WS annotations and looked at each annotation and its properties and analyzed its impact on the mapping anish: This is in section 11.1 anish: text in bold has an impact on mapping anish: what i have not yet done is, not talked about the fact that the jax-ws annotations have to be processed anish: * The meeting is now quorate * anish: Bryan discusses the text in bold Mark Combellack: 6 of 9 voting members now on call anish: Anish: ed issue about MUST and JCA100010 anish: ... what does wsdlLocation do and how does one know which portType, for example, one should use Mike Edwards: I've dropped Mike Edwards: redialling Mike Edwards: back anish: ... wrt @webMethod what happens if a method is excluded, this affects the wiring rules that we currently have for java-to-java matching. Need to have to reference from the wiring rules section to here anish: Anish: question about @WebParam, how does the header work for round tripping anish: Bryan: JAX-WS takes care of that anish: Bryan explains Table 11-2 anish: Bryan: do folks like this direction and should we flesh out all the details Mike Edwards: I am having real trouble keeping on the call anish: Anish: i agree that this is the right direction anish: Mark: this is now becoming complex Mike Edwards: I would not encourage people to use this anish: Anish: we need to decide whether we do want to follow Jax-WS, which is what we currently say, or create expections Mike Edwards: but if interfaces are already written this way... anish: Mark: is complex, but hasn't quite reached a 'too complex' point anish: Mike: if folks have these kind of interfaces then we need to decide what to do. But should not encourage folks to use this anish: Anish: i see two options: either follow all the rules that jax-ws defined. It is the definitive way to map to WSDL in the java-world or say that we don't support certain JAX-WS annotations in SCA and reject the classes anish: Mike: need to think about supporting classes created using say AXIS anish: Bryan: need to do more ed clean, and some other specs need corresponding changes anish: ... will wait making those till we have an agreement on what to do here anish: Mark: pl. go ahead and do that (changes to the proposal) anish: Topic: approval of minutes anish: - Approval of minutes for 28th September 2009 and 2nd October 2009 http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34440/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-09-28.doc http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34508/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-10-05.doc anish: both minutes are approved w/o anish: Topic: issue 150/173/175 anish: a. JAVA-150: SCA Spring C & I specification need to mention how SCA runtime should load multiple application context files. JAVA-173: SCA Spring C & I specification should mention how implicit services should be determined for special bean definitions JAVA-175: SCA Spring C & I specification should use "id" of the bean to uniquely identify a bean instead of its name http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-150 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-173 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-175 Latest proposal containing updates for JAVA-150, JAVA-173 and JAVA-175 (Ram) http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34575/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD04-Issue173-175-150_v2.doc (Ram) anish: Ram explains his proposal Mike Edwards: which paragraph??? anish: line 407 in my version of word Mark Combellack: I'm lookin at lines 388 Mark Combellack: second to last paragraph in 2.4 Mark Combellack lowered your hand anish: Anish: what does 'must not allow' mean anish: Ram: should throw an error anish: Anish: in sca spec, in such cases, we make the artifact non-conformant and require SCA runtime to generate an error anish: Mark: we need to correst the 'must not allow' language anish: Anish: there is nothing mandatory here anish: Mike: they are mentioned elsewhere Ramkumar R: got dropped off... will dial back Mark Combellack: ok anish: Anish: SPR40005 and SPR40006 seem to be the 2119 language for multipel context anish: Mike: For issue 150, it is just changes to section 2.4 Mark Combellack: My question is what changes in the document are related to each individual issue anish: Mike: changes for 173 are in section 3 anish: Mike: 175 is just one line in section 3 "@name attribute value is the value of the @id attribute of the <bean/> element if setpresent, otherwise it is the first name from the value of @name attribute of the <bean/> element" anish mike, the voice quality is very bad Mike Edwards: its worse than that - it has dropped completely Mike Edwards: again Mike Edwards: I give up sice it is nearly on the hour anish: Mark: for next call, I'll tee up 173 and 175 first as it is much smaller and then proceed to 150 anish: Topic: AOB and straggler roll anish: no AOB anish: Meeting adjourned
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