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Subject: Today's chat log




Bryan Aupperle, Ph.D.
STSM, WebSphere Enterprise Platform Software Solution Architect
WW Banking Center of Excellence Application Integration Architect

Research Triangle Park,  NC
+1 919-254-7508 (T/L 444-7508)
Internet Address: aupperle@us.ibm.com
[10:22] Mark Combellack: - Roll Call
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=sca-j
- Appointment of scribe. List attached below
- Agenda bashing
- Approval of minutes for 19th October 2009
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34769/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-10-19.doc


0. Administration 
- Issue Status: Open: 21
- SCA-J CAA and C&I Public Review ended on 7th August 2009


1. Review action items:

Action Items that I believe are done:

Action Items that I believe are still to be done:
2008-11-11-22: Mark to draw up some wording for Direction 1 (as discussed at the November F2F) for JAVA-62
2008-11-11-23: Mark (and others prepared to help) to investigate the WorkManager JEE spec and determine its applicability to SCA for JAVA-62
2009-07-06-01: Dave B to raise to liaison (so that other C&Is can consider and possibly assembly) that non-XML based C&Is should state how the conversion of property values happens
2009-07-13-03: Anish to create a proposal for the list of annotations which make sense for JAVA-166
2009-07-17-01: Mike to create an example of the componentType introspection (JAVA-5
2009-07-27-02: Mike E to prepare set of slides for Issue 127
2009-09-28-05: Dave to look at unstated prereqs for JCI-TA-8005/8006


2. New Issues (Requires 2/3rds)

None


3. Open Issues with proposals ready for discussion (JAA and C&I)

None


4. Open Issues with proposals ready for discussion (Spring/EJB/JEE)

a. JAVA-173: SCA Spring C & I specification should mention how implicit services should be determined for special bean definitions
   JAVA-175: SCA Spring C & I specification should use "id" of the bean to uniquely identify a bean instead of its name
   JAVA-150: SCA Spring C & I specification need to mention how SCA runtime should load multiple application context files.
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-173 (See section 3 - 2nd bullet list)
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-175 (See section 3 - first item in 3rd bullet list)
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-150 (Rest of changes in the document)
Latest proposal containing updates for JAVA-150, JAVA-173 and JAVA-175 (Ram)
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34575/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD04-Issue173-175-150_v2.doc (Ram)


5. Test Cases and Test Assertions Documents (For review)

a. EJB Binding Test Assertions document
First pass of the Test Assertions document for the SCA EJB Binding specification (Dave)
Continued: Previously up to 3004
See: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200909/msg00004.html
PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34028/SCA_EJB_Binding_Test_Assertions_1.pdf
ODT: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34029/SCA_EJB_Binding_Test_Assertions_1.odt

b. CAA Test Cases document
See: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200910/msg00084.html
PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34614/sca-j-caa-1.1-testcases-wd11.pdf (Mike/Dave)
ODT: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34613/sca-j-caa-1.1-testcases-wd11.odt 

c. CAA Test Assertions document
ODT: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34610/sca-j-caa-1.1-test-assertions-wd09.odt (Mike)


6. Issues waiting for updated proposals (JAA and C&I)

a. JAVA-127: Long running request/response operations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-127
Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200812/msg00089.html
Waiting for presentation slides (Mike)

b. JAVA-168: Conversion rules for property values are not specified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-168
Proposed direction: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00004.html
Waiting for full proposal (Simon)

c. JAVA-46: equals() method on ServiceReference and CallableReference
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-46
Waiting for updated proposal (Mark)

d. JAVA-54: Section 7.1 of the Java CAA Specification is unclear
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-154
Waiting for proposal (Mike)

e. JAVA-62: Clarify what a Component Implementation can do with threads
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-62
Waiting for proposal (Mark)

f. JAVA-155: Inconsistent normative statements in Chapter 10
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-155
Discuss - What do we do next?
Waiting for updated proposal (Simon)

g. JAVA-171: Duplicate normative statements in Java CI and Java CAA 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-171
Waiting for updated proposal (Dave)

h. JAVA-179: Need type support for @Property when used with SDO
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-179
Proposal in Jira as 2 word documents (Dave)
http://www.osoa.org/jira/secure/attachment/10541/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03%2Bissue179.doc
http://www.osoa.org/jira/secure/attachment/10540/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-cd01-rev1%2Bissue179.doc
Simon's JAXB annotation investigation: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200909/msg00024.html
Waiting for updated proposal (Dave)

i. JAVA-184: Method Exclusion
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-184
Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200910/msg00075.html (Bryan)
MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34603/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%2BIssue184a.doc
PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34604/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%2BIssue184a.pdf


7. Issues waiting for updated proposals (Spring/EJB/JEE)

a. JAVA-114: Spring CI runtime behaviour when annotation rules are violated
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-114
Proposal in Jira
Blocked by JAVA-166

b. JAVA-166: Spring C&I does not say anything about SCA annotations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-166
Waiting for list of Annotations (Anish Action Item)

c. JAVA-109: Property and reference names computed from SCA annotations in web modules not specified explicitly
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-109
Proposal in Jira
Waiting for updated proposal (Vamsi)

d. JAVA-182: SCA Spring C & I specs needs to refactor text under abstract and introduction
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-182
No proposal (Ram)

e. JAVA-174: Consider portlets in the SCA JEE specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-174

f. JAVA-91: Java EE Spec: Need to define the derivation of the name of a component contributed to the Domain by an application.composite file
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-91
Waiting for updated proposal (Mike)

g. JAVA-93: JEE Integration spec needs to define how effective CT is calculated
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-93
Waiting for updated proposal (Anish)

h. JAVA-108: RFC2119 Language is needed for the SCA-JEE Specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-108
Waiting for updated proposal

i. JAVA-88: Java EE Spec: The @archive attribute of the implementation.jee element needs fixing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-88
No proposal
Plamen to check whether on his informal JEE issues list


8. AOB

a. Straggler roll call


---------------------------------------------------------------
Rotating scribe list:

Graham Charters IBM (5)
Yang Lei IBM (11)
Plamen Pavlov SAP AG (3)
Simon Nash Individual (11)
Bryan Aupperle IBM (17)
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation (15)
Mike Edwards IBM (14)
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation (13)
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation (14)
[10:35] Bryan Aupperle: Scribe: Bryan
[10:35] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Agenda Bashing
[10:36] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: We should look at issues awaiting proposals, especially since Simon is tagged for some.
[10:36] Bryan Aupperle: Agreed to add this.
[10:37] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Approval of Minutes
[10:37] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Minutes approved as posted w/o
[10:37] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Administration
[10:37] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Action Items
[10:37] Bryan Aupperle: No progress, all ongoing
[10:38] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: JAVA-173: SCA Spring C & I specification should mention how implicit services should be determined for special bean definitions
   JAVA-175: SCA Spring C & I specification should use "id" of the bean to uniquely identify a bean instead of its name
   JAVA-150: SCA Spring C & I specification need to mention how SCA runtime should load multiple application context files.
[10:38] Martin C another Irish Public holiday ruined for Martin
[10:40] Bryan Aupperle: Latest proposal containing updates for JAVA-150, JAVA-173 and JAVA-175 (Ram)
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34575/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD04-Issue173-175-150_v2.doc (Ram)
[10:41] Mark Combellack: Anish is breaking up for me
[10:42] Bryan Aupperle: Discussion about single vs. multiple documents for the proposals.
[10:43] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Were we expecting any updated beyond the v2 document?
[10:43] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: I thought there were some updates to come.
[10:44] Bryan Aupperle: Mark: The last time we talked about Issue 150 last time and some changes are pending for that, but we had not covered the proposals for Issues 173 and 175.
[10:45] Bryan Aupperle: Mike reviews proposal for Issue 173.
[10:48] Bryan Aupperle: Changes are second bulleted list in section 3.
[10:50] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: Is line 445 a new restriction?
[10:50] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Not it is a clarification.
[10:50] Bryan Aupperle: Mike review proposal for Issue 175.
[10:51] Bryan Aupperle: Changes are related to id and name in third bulleted list in section 3.
[10:52] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: Is it possible to have neither name or id?
[10:52] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: That is a Spring error.
[10:52] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: Is it possible to have name=foo in one bean and id=foo in another?
[10:53] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: No, that is also a Spring error.
[10:53] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: Other changes in doc.  Are the part of rev 4?
[10:54] Bryan Aupperle: Mike for 173/175 are only in section 3.  changes in section 2.4 are for 150.  Others are just Word artifacts wrt cross references.
[10:55] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Mike, second Dave: Resolve Issue 173 with the text in section 3 of the referenced document.
[10:56] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: motions passes w/o
[10:57] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Mike, second Dave: Resolve Issue 175 with the text in section 3 of the referenced document.
[10:57] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: motions passes w/o
[10:59] Bryan Aupperle: Action Item (RAM): Update section proposal for Issues 150 based on comments from 12 Oct.
[11:00] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: EJB Binding Test Assertions Review
[11:00] Bryan Aupperle: PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34028/SCA_EJB_Binding_Test_Assertions_1.pdf
ODT: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34029/SCA_EJB_Binding_Test_Assertions_1.odt
[11:01] Bryan Aupperle: Starting with 30004
[11:02] Unknown/malformed action: /30004/3004/
Check ?help
[11:02] Bryan Aupperle: s/30004/3004/
[11:04] Dave Booz: did I fall off the call?
[11:04] Mark Combellack: yes
[11:04] Mark Combellack: Or I did
[11:04] Dave Booz: hold on
[11:04] Mike Edwards: ru there Dave??
[11:05] Dave Booz: redialing
[11:09] Bryan Aupperle: 3005 - Prescription level should be permitted.
[11:09] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Which specific part of the spec is the basis of the assertion?
[11:11] Dave Booz: http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-j/sca-ejbbinding-1.1-spec-cd01.pdf
[11:16] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Predicate looks like a prerequsite.
[11:17] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: Then does the target need to change?
[11:17] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Yes
[11:18] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Predicate should be that service can be invoked.
[11:18] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: What about a predicate that the interface is valid?
[11:19] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: That works.
[11:19] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: Then the target is still the interface.
[11:21] Bryan Aupperle: s/3005/3006/
[11:21] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: Similar changes is needed for 3003.
[11:21] Bryan Aupperle: s/changes/change/
[11:27] Bryan Aupperle: 6001
[11:27] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Should the normative statement be exactly one or at least one?
[11:27] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: Exactly one.  We need an issue.
[11:28] Bryan Aupperle: 6002
[11:28] Bryan Aupperle: Predicate is a duplicate of 6001
[11:29] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: CAA Testcases
[11:29] Bryan Aupperle: PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34614/sca-j-caa-1.1-testcases-wd11.pdf (Mike/Dave)
ODT: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34613/sca-j-caa-1.1-testcases-wd11.odt
[11:31] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: How do we want to do this?  Do we really want to discuss each test case?  If so, we really need to look at the test artifacts as well.
[11:33] Bryan Aupperle: Perhaps best to look at those test assertions without test cases.
[11:35] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Also some test assertions with multiple test cases.
[11:37] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: For section 4, it is possible to have one test case track full life cycle.
[11:41] Bryan Aupperle: TA-4019 not testable due to lack of standard API
[11:44] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: In section 10, in many cases prior test cases tested the annotation.
[11:45] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Section 10 has some optional statements that do not have test cases and set that require an undeploy/redeploy API, which is not required.
[11:49] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Issues waiting proposals
[11:49] Bryan Aupperle: Issue 168
[11:50] Bryan Aupperle: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-168
Proposed direction: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00004.html
Waiting for full proposal (Simon)
[11:50] Bryan Aupperle: Remove Simon as owner
[11:51] Bryan Aupperle: Java 155
[11:51] Bryan Aupperle: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-155
Discuss - What do we do next?
Waiting for updated proposal (Simon)
[11:52] Bryan Aupperle: Mark to place on upcoming agenda.
[11:52] Bryan Aupperle: Java 127
[11:52] Bryan Aupperle: Open AI on Mike
[11:53] Bryan Aupperle: Java 46
[11:53] Bryan Aupperle: Not a high priority.
[11:54] Bryan Aupperle: Java 54
[11:58] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: This really needs doing.  Only getServiceReference is adequately documented.  16 more do go.  Client API is in better shape.
[11:58] Bryan Aupperle: Bryan: Should this be done before a PR of the test assertions/test cases?
[11:58] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: Yes:
[11:59] Bryan Aupperle: Issue 62
[11:59] Bryan Aupperle: Open AI on Mark.
[11:59] Bryan Aupperle: Potentially can be placed on upcoming agenda.
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