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Subject: Raw Minutes for 9 Nov.
[10:13] Mark Combellack: - Roll Call http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=sca-j - Appointment of scribe. List attached below - Agenda bashing - Approval of minutes for 2nd November 2009 http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34974/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-11-02.doc 0. Administration - Issue Status: Open: 17 - SCA-J CAA and C&I Public Review ended on 7th August 2009 1. Review action items: Action Items that I believe are done: Action Items that I believe are still to be done: 2008-11-11-22: Mark to draw up some wording for Direction 1 (as discussed at the November F2F) for JAVA-62 2008-11-11-23: Mark (and others prepared to help) to investigate the WorkManager JEE spec and determine its applicability to SCA for JAVA-62 2009-07-06-01: Dave B to raise to liaison (so that other C&Is can consider and possibly assembly) that non-XML based C&Is should state how the conversion of property values happens 2009-07-13-03: Anish to create a proposal for the list of annotations which make sense for JAVA-166 2009-07-17-01: Mike to create an example of the componentType introspection (JAVA-5 2009-07-27-02: Mike E to prepare set of slides for Issue 127 2009-09-28-05: Dave to look at unstated prereqs for JCI-TA-8005/8006 2. Open Issues with proposals ready for discussion (JAA and C&I) a. JAVA-184: Method Exclusion http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-184 Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200911/msg00014.html (Revision D) (Bryan) MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/35035/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%20Issue184d.doc PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/35036/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%20Issue184d.pdf MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/35037/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-cd01-rev2%20Issue%20184d.doc PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/35038/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-cd01-rev2%20Issue%20184d.pdf b. JAVA-62: Clarify what a Component Implementation can do with threads http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-62 Proposal in Jira (Mark) 3. New Issues (Requires 2/3rds) None 4. Open Issues with proposals ready for discussion (Spring/EJB/JEE) None 5. Test Cases and Test Assertions Documents (For review) a. CAA Test Assertions document ODT: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34610/sca-j-caa-1.1-test-assertions-wd09.odt (Mike) 6. Issues waiting for updated proposals (JAA and C&I) a. JAVA-127: Long running request/response operations http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-127 Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200812/msg00089.html Waiting for presentation slides (Mike) b. JAVA-168: Conversion rules for property values are not specified http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-168 Proposed direction: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200907/msg00004.html Waiting for full proposal c. JAVA-46: equals() method on ServiceReference and CallableReference http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-46 Waiting for updated proposal (Mark) d. JAVA-54: Section 7.1 of the Java CAA Specification is unclear http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-154 Waiting for proposal (Mike) e. JAVA-179: Need type support for @Property when used with SDO http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-179 Proposal in Jira as 2 word documents (Dave) http://www.osoa.org/jira/secure/attachment/10541/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03%2Bissue179.doc http://www.osoa.org/jira/secure/attachment/10540/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-cd01-rev1%2Bissue179.doc Simon's JAXB annotation investigation: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200909/msg00024.html Waiting for updated proposal (Dave) f. JAVA-150: SCA Spring C & I specification need to mention how SCA runtime should load multiple application context files. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-150 (Rest of changes in the document) Latest proposal: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/35059/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD05-Issue150v2.doc (Ram) 7. Issues waiting for updated proposals (Spring/EJB/JEE) a. JAVA-166: Spring C&I does not say anything about SCA annotations http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-166 Waiting for list of Annotations (Anish Action Item) b. JAVA-114: Spring CI runtime behaviour when annotation rules are violated http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-114 Proposal in Jira Blocked by JAVA-166 c. JAVA-109: Property and reference names computed from SCA annotations in web modules not specified explicitly http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-109 Proposal in Jira Waiting for updated proposal (Vamsi) d. JAVA-182: SCA Spring C & I specs needs to refactor text under abstract and introduction http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-182 No proposal (Ram) e. JAVA-174: Consider portlets in the SCA JEE specification http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-174 f. JAVA-91: Java EE Spec: Need to define the derivation of the name of a component contributed to the Domain by an application.composite file http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-91 Waiting for updated proposal (Mike) g. JAVA-93: JEE Integration spec needs to define how effective CT is calculated http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-93 Waiting for updated proposal (Anish) h. JAVA-108: RFC2119 Language is needed for the SCA-JEE Specification http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-108 Waiting for updated proposal i. JAVA-88: Java EE Spec: The @archive attribute of the implementation.jee element needs fixing http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-88 No proposal Plamen to check whether on his informal JEE issues list 8. AOB a. Straggler roll call --------------------------------------------------------------- Rotating scribe list: Graham Charters IBM (5) Yang Lei IBM (11) Plamen Pavlov SAP AG (3) Simon Nash Individual (11) Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation (15) Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation (13) Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation (14) Bryan Aupperle IBM (1 Mike Edwards IBM (15)
[10:36] Bryan Aupperle: Scribe: Bryan
[10:37] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Agenda Bashing
[10:37] Bryan Aupperle: No changes - Posted agenda will be used
[10:38] Bryan Aupperle: Meeting is quorate 6/10
[10:38] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Approval of Minutes
[10:38] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Minutes approved
[10:38] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Review of Action Items
[10:38] Bryan Aupperle: None completed, all are ongoing
[10:39] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Issue 184 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-184 Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200911/msg00014.html (Revision D) (Bryan) MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/35035/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%20Issue184d.doc PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/35036/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd03-rev1%20Issue184d.pdf MS Word: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/35037/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-cd01-rev2%20Issue%20184d.doc PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/35038/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-cd01-rev2%20Issue%20184d.pdf
[10:40] Mike Edwards: Bryan presents the updated proposal contained in the above documents ("draft d") starting with the CAA changes
[10:41] Mike Edwards: Section 11.1
[10:42] Mike Edwards: - contains the table of JAX-WS annotations
[10:45] Mike Edwards: Mike: Help me regarding the treatment of the @OneWay normative statement in the table. It looks like a normative statement without a number label.
[10:45] Mike Edwards: Bryan: I'd be happy to put in a copy of the number label of the existing statement - it is a restatement of a normative statement in section 11
[10:46] Mike Edwards: Mark: Can we make that label a link to the location where the main statement is held
[10:46] Mike Edwards: Bryan: Yes, that sounds like a good idea.
[10:46] Mike Edwards: Moving the to CI changes
[10:46] Mike Edwards: Changes are in section 8.3
[10:48] Mike Edwards: Mike: Section 8.3.5 SOAP is missing a quote...
[10:51] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Bryan - Resolve issue 184 with the proposal in the links above with the following modifications: In the proposal for the CAA spec, add a cross reference to the table entry for @Oneway to [JCA100002] and in the proposal for the JCI spec add the missing quote to SOAP and correct the spelling of annotatied in section 8.3.5.
[10:53] Bryan Aupperle: Motion is seconded by Dave.
[10:53] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Motion passes w/o
[10:53] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Java 62
[10:54] Bryan Aupperle: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-62 Proposal in Jira
[10:55] Bryan Aupperle: Mark reviews status of issue.
[10:56] Bryan Aupperle: Mike reviews what test cases do with threads.
[10:58] Bryan Aupperle: Mike notes that there are test cases that create threads to test some of the existing normative statements about scopes and synchronization.
[10:58] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: If we disallow thread manipulation we would need very specific statements.
[10:59] Bryan Aupperle: Mark: Not of the mind to restrict thread use.
[11:00] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Mark, second Mike - Close Java 62 with no action
[11:00] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Motion passes w/o
[11:00] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Java 150
[11:00] Mark Combellack: JAVA-150: SCA Spring C & I specification need to mention how SCA runtime should load multiple application context files. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-150 (Rest of changes in the document) Latest proposal: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/35059/sca-springci-1.1-spec-WD05-Issue150v2.doc (Ram)
[11:01] Mark Combellack: Ram is very quiet - is it only me?
[11:01] Mike Edwards: you need to speak up a bit Ram
[11:02] Bryan Aupperle: Changes are in section 2.4
[11:04] Mark Combellack: Should the MUST in line 402 be labelled?
[11:06] Bryan Aupperle: Ram: Yes, the statements should be labeled.
[11:06] Bryan Aupperle: s/statements/statement/
[11:07] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: "overrides the older bean definition with the later bean definition" should be "overrides the earlier bean definition with the later bean definition"
[11:08] Bryan Aupperle: Ram: OK
[11:11] Bryan Aupperle: Ram: Anish has some prior editorial comments, not reflected in this draft, I need some help with those.
[11:11] Mark Combellack: Anish's editorial comments from Nov 2nd: anish: a few s/./,/ (editorial)
[11:13] Bryan Aupperle: AI: (Anish) Point out specific locations for editorial corrections (s/./,/) for issue 150 proposal.
[11:13] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Ram, second Dave - Resolve issue 150 with proposal in linked document.
[11:15] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Dave, second Mike - Ammend prior motion to include change "older" to "earlier" and label line 402.
[11:15] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Amendment passes w/o
[11:16] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Amended motion passes w/o
[11:17] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Review CAA test assertion document.
[11:20] Bryan Aupperle: AI: (TC) Review CAA Test Assertions and raise any concerns.
[11:23] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: JAVA-127
[11:24] Bryan Aupperle: Mike outlines some basic design options.
[11:24] Bryan Aupperle: Discussion about possibly using callbacks in this context.
[11:28] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: AOB
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