Re: [sca-j] Raw Text Minutes from SCA-J Conf Call, 24th Jan 2011

[Bryan Aupperle <aupperle@us.ibm.com>]

This might help with the discussion about
adding the link to the test artifacts:

From the current TC-process [1]
6) Allowed changes. Any change made to a Work Product
requires a new version or revision number, except for changes made to ...
(e) updates to the file names of all Work Product files
and any references between them ...

[1] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process-2010-07-28.php#specQuality

Bryan Aupperle, Ph.D.
STSM, WebSphere Enterprise Platform Software Solution Architect
WW Center of Excellence for Enterprise Systems & Banking Center of
Excellence Application Integration Architect

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From:      
 Mike Edwards <mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com>
To:      
 "OASIS Java"
<sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org>
Date:      
 01/24/2011 12:07 PM
Subject:    
   [sca-j] Raw
Text Minutes from SCA-J Conf Call, 24th Jan 2011

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1. Roll call 

2. Scribe appointment 
Scribe list attached below 

3. Agenda bashing 

4. Meeting Minutes 
Minutes of 2011-01-10 telcon 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/40710/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202011-01-10.doc

5. TC Administrivia 
a. Recording issue status - 14 open, 0 new 

6. ACTION ITEMS 

2010-11-15-02: Mike to follow up with Jacques on 217, 218, ,219, 220, and
221 
PENDING 

20101206-01: (Anish) Prepare an updated proposal for Issue 182 with extra
example material and further editorial updates 
PENDING 

20101206-02: (Mike) Post a comment to the list with a strawman proposal
for Issue 224 
PENDING 

7. New Issues (requires 2/3) 
NONE 

8. Issues with proposals 
NONE 

9. Issues waiting for updated proposals (Spring/EJB/JEE)

a. JAVA-226: TAB comments on POJO CI TAs 
http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-226
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/201101/msg00010.html

b. JAVA-227: TAB comments on POJO CI TCs 
http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-227
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/201101/msg00009.html

c. JAVA-182: SCA Spring C & I specs needs to refactor text under abstract
and introduction 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-182
Awaiting an action from Anish 

d. JAVA-224 
Support for JSR-330 - Dependency Injection for Java
http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-224
Awaiting an action from Mike 

e. JAVA-217 Weak design: Target is often not well identified, in several
TAs 
http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-217

f. JAVA-220 Target should not be an "event", but an identifiable
entity 
http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-220

g. JAVA-221 Stronger use of "tags" might help classify TAs based
on targets 
http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-221

h. JAVA-225 Ambiguity about the implicit reference interface in the introspected
component type of a Spring app context 
http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-225

i. JAVA-109: Property and reference names computed from SCA annotations
in web modules not specified explicitly 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-109
Proposal in Jira 
Waiting for updated proposal (Vamsi) 

j. JAVA-174: Consider portlets in the SCA JEE specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-174

k. JAVA-91: Java EE Spec: Need to define the derivation of the name of
a component contributed to the Domain by an application.composite file
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-91
Waiting for updated proposal (Mike) 

l. JAVA-93: JEE Integration spec needs to define how effective CT is calculated
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-93
Waiting for updated proposal (Anish) 

m. JAVA-108: RFC2119 Language is needed for the SCA-JEE Specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-108
Waiting for updated proposal 

n. JAVA-88: Java EE Spec: The @archive attribute of the implementation.jee
element needs fixing 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-88
No proposal 
Plamen to check whether on his informal JEE issues list

10. AOB 
a. straggler role 

11. Spec status 

CAA (part of 1st batch of 1.1 specs): 
2 new issue, 2nd PR ended 2010-12-08, CSD05 expected to be final CSD
1st impl: Tuscany (compliant), 2nd impl: ?? 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/201012/msg00000.htmlhttp://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/201012/msg00000.htmlTA:
CD01 PR ended 2010-10-24, 0 open issue, CSD02 expected to be final CSD
TC: CD01 PR ended 2010-10-24, 0 open issue, CSD02 expected to be final
CSD 

POJO (part of 1st batch of 1.1 specs): 
0 open issues, 2st PR ended 2010-12-08, CSD03 expected to be final CSD
1st impl: Tuscany (compliant), 2nd impl: ?? 
TA: CSD01 PR ended 2010-12-23 
TC: CDS01 PR ended 2010-12-23 

EJB Binding (not part of 1st batch of 1.1 specs): 
0 open issues, 1st PR done, CSD03 expected to be final CSD
1st impl: ??, 2nd impl: ?? 
TA: WD stage, no CSD yet, 60 day PR needed 
TC: WD stage, no CSD yet, 60 day PR needed 

Spring C&I (not part of 1st batch of 1.1 specs):
1 open issues, WD stage, no CSD yet, 60 day PR needed
1st impl: ??, 2nd impl: ?? 
TA: no work done 
TC: no work done 

JEE (not part of 1st batch of 1.1 specs): 
6 open issues, WD stage (not actively worked on), no CSD yet, 60 day PR
needed 
1st impl: ??, 2nd impl: ?? 
TA: no work done 
TC: no work done 

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Scribe: Mike Edwards 
Agenda Bashing: 
We can deal with Issues 224, 226, 227 
Item 4 Meeting Minutes 
Minutes from 10th Jan 2011 
Minutes approved without change 
Item 5 TC Administrivia 
14 open, 0 new issues 
2010-11-15-02: Mike to follow up with Jacques on 217, 218, ,219, 220, and
221 
PENDING 

20101206-01: (Anish) Prepare an updated proposal for Issue 182 with extra
example material and further editorial updates 
PENDING 

20101206-02: (Mike) Post a comment to the list with a strawman proposal
for Issue 224 
DONE 
Item 6 Action Items 
2010-11-15-02: Mike to follow up with Jacques on 217, 218, ,219, 220, and
221 
PENDING 

20101206-01: (Anish) Prepare an updated proposal for Issue 182 with extra
example material and further editorial updates 
PENDING 

20101206-02: (Mike) Post a comment to the list with a strawman proposal
for Issue 224 
SDONE 
Item 9 Open Issues 
JAVA-224 
Support for JSR-330 - Dependency Injection for Java 
http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-224
Proposal from Mike Edwards: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/201101/msg00012.html
Mike dessribes the proposal, which is to Close with No Action
Anish: Not sure that JSR-330 is really tied to JEE - it can be used independent
of JEE. 
The material could be used independent of JEE. 
Anish: Even so, it is too late for this release. (V1.1)
Mike moves to close Issue 224 with No Action 
Dave seconds 
Motion passes unanimously 
Issue 224 is resolved - Close with No Action 
Action: 20110124-01: (Mike) Respond to the original comment in JAVA-224
JAVA-227: TAB comments on POJO CI TCs 
http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-227
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/201101/msg00009.html
Bryan describes the material contained in his email (linked above)
Bryan: 1) Link to test artifacts 
- addition formed after the one in Assembly 
Bryan: Martin had posted a comment about the use of "related work"
for this reference 
Mike: There is the argument that we're permitted to change the front matter
material without needing a new CSD/Public Review 
Bryan: 2) Point about the lack of formal normative requirements in the
spec 
Anish: We can certainly add a normative statement requiring runtimes to
pass these tests 
Bryan: 3) Also an error in the citation format section in the front matter
anish lowered your hand 
Mike: Normative statements are pointless in a way in that the document
is the spec for the test suite - but that we the TC also produced the test
suite artifacts and "guarantee" that they conform to the document
(it would be an error that the TC would have to fix to be otherwise)
Anish: Is it OK to have a spec with no normative statements?  Does
OASIS require normative statements? 
Ashok: Can have a standard that is purely descriptive (in another standards
body) 
anish: A specification that is approved by the TC at the Committee Specification
Public Review Draft, Committee Specification or OASIS Standard level must
include a separate section, listing a set of numbered conformance clauses,
to which any implementation of the specification must adhere in order to
claim conformance to the specification (or any optional portion thereof).
Martin: Are the test suites REALLY a specification - or are they Committee
Notes ? 
Martin: These test documents should be seen all as one package.
Anish: This needs to be taken up with TC Admin? 
Action: 20110124-02: (Anish) Take up the Links question relating to JAVA-227
with TC-Admin - aim to get the links updated without requiring a new CSD
or public review 
Hold further action on JAVA-227 until feedback from TC Admin is received
JAVA-226: TAB comments on POJO CI TAs 
http://osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-226
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/201101/msg00010.html
Bryan - is about Test Assertions - comments are in the linked email
Bryan: 1st item is about material added by TC Admin
- comments must be addressed to TC Admin, not this TC
Item 2: nice to have a summary to improve readability
Item 3: nit 
Item 4: The specification is clearly defined as the SCA POJO spec..
Item 5: Is from the TA Guide 
Item 6: There is a question about RFC2119 language here - there is 1 "may"
& 1 "must" - which should probably be changed
Item 7: Prerequisites must always be true or the test would be not valid
/ unpredictable 
Item 8: Nit - although there is a "should here"
Item 9: Terminology from the TA Guide 
Item 10: A terminology issue about the description of Tags
Bryan: There is a reference JAXB spec in one test assertion but it is not
referenced in the normative references section 
AOB 
Adjourned

Yours, Mike

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