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Subject: Draft Minutes from 2008-08-25 are attached


Title: SCA-Policy - 2008-08-25

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sca-policy TC
Teleconference

25 AUG 2008

Attendees

Present
fred carter, (AmberPoint)
Dale Moberg, (Axway Software*)
Robert Freund, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Eric Wells, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Michael Beisiegel, (IBM)
David Booz, (IBM)
Martin Chapman, (Oracle Corporation)
Rich Levinson, (Oracle Corporation)
Ashok Malhotra, (Oracle Corporation)
Sanjay Patil, (SAP AG*)
Plamen Pavlov, (SAP AG*)
Murty Gurajada, (TIBCO Software Inc.)
Pundalik Kudapkar, (TIBCO Software Inc.)
Chairs
Ashok Malhotra
Dave Booz
Scribe
Bob Freund
Agenda:
Agenda SCA Policy Telecon Meeting, August 25, 2008

Callin Number: See below

Chatroom: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/sca-policy-TC

1. Roll call

2. Appointment of minute taker: volunteer?

3. Agenda bashing

4. Vote to accept minutes from Aug 18, 2008 meeting
None posted yet.

5. TC Logistics:
a. Sept 1 telecon is cancelled
b. Next f2f meeting Oct2,3. Hosted by Hitachi in Boston, MA
c. Election of an issues editor

6. Schedule for completion of work
a. reference email sent by Dave
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200808/msg00000.html

7. ACTION ITEMS

a. Anish and Sanjay to write up a proposal for using External Attachment as the ONLY way to attach policies and bindings.
b. Sanjay to write a proposal for issue 49 based on using External Attachment.
c. Ashok to provide non-normative text to close issue 53
d. Dave Booz to provide proposal for issue 33

8. New Issues

9. Issues
a. Issue 30 - Is the policy (specified in intentMap) from all of multiple qualified intents in effect?
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200808/msg00010.html

b. Issue 54: Wire validation rules have changed
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-54
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200806/msg00017.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200806/msg00018.html

c. (HOLD for member review) Issue 15 External Policy Attachment.
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-15
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200807/msg00005.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200807/msg00037.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200807/msg00038.html

d. Issue 53: How do we tell what a policySet provides?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-53

e. Issue 42: Infoset for policySet/@appliesTo
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200712/msg00038.html
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-42
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200806/msg00021.html

f. Issue 23 Policy attachment at the message level
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-23
Depends on Issue 15

g. Remove element from specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-58
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200807/msg00003.html

h. Issue 49: Handling of Implementation Intents in the Implementation Hierarchy is not described. We need a proposal.
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-49
Pending action.

i. Issue 33: The ability to express capabilities via intents.
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-33

10. Discuss next CD dates (target issue content)

11. AOB
12. Any additions to the roll?

Contents

Topics
[1]  Opening
[2]  TC Logistics
[3]  Action Items
[4]  New Issues
[5]  Existing Issues
[6]  Issue 30 - Is the policy (specified in intentMap) from all of multiple qualified intents in effect? http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200808/msg00010.html
[7]  Issue 53: How do we tell what a policySet provides? http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-53
[8]  Action Item Anish and Sanjay to write up a proposal for using External Attachment as the ONLY way to attach policies and bindings.
[9]  AOB
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items

Action Items

Old:
2008-01-01-1: id=2008-01-01-1 status=done Anish and Sanjay to write up a proposal for using External Attachment as the ONLY way to attach policies and bindings.
2008-01-01-2: id=2008-01-01-2 status=pending Sanjay to write a proposal for issue 49 based on using External Attachment.
2008-01-01-3: id=2008-01-01-3 status=pending Ashok to provide non-normative text to close issue 53
2008-01-01-4: id=2008-01-01-4 status=pending Dave Booz to provide proposal for issue 33
New:
2008-08-25-1: Editors to correct application of issue 39

Resolutions


Minutes

Scribe: Bob Freund

Opening

Roll quorate
Agenda - accepted
Minutes - none posted to act on

TC Logistics

Sept 1 telecon is canceled
Next f2f meeting Oct2,3. Hosted by Hitachi in Boston, MA
Booz:
request for someone to volunteer to be the issues editor
 
...It was noted that it is not much work

Action Items

Action: id=2008-01-01-1 status=done Anish and Sanjay to write up a proposal for using External Attachment as the ONLY way to attach policies and bindings.
Action: id=2008-01-01-2 status=pending Sanjay to write a proposal for issue 49 based on using External Attachment.
Action: id=2008-01-01-3 status=pending Ashok to provide non-normative text to close issue 53
Action: id=2008-01-01-4 status=pending Dave Booz to provide proposal for issue 33

New Issues

HUZZAH - none

Existing Issues

Issue 30 - Is the policy (specified in intentMap) from all of multiple qualified intents in effect? http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200808/msg00010.html

Original issue 39 was not correctly correctly
Action: Editors to correct application of issue 39
Motion: m:Booz s:Freund Resolve Issue 30 by closing with no action
Resolution: Resolve Issue 30 by closing with no action w/o

Issue 53: How do we tell what a policySet provides? http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-53

Issue 53 deferred until completion of Ashok's action item

Action Item Anish and Sanjay to write up a proposal for using External Attachment as the ONLY way to attach policies and bindings.

<Ashok>
Patil:
External policy attachment is simpler, most prevalent, and simpler
 
...in-line policy attachment combined with external policy attachment adds significant complexity
Patil Proposes to eliminate in-line policy attachments and support external policy attachments only
<Ashok>
Dale asked whether the choice would depend on whether a UI was present?
Moberg Points out that tools hide a lot of complexity
Booz:
My initial react is that external attachments ould be the primary mechanism
 
...We have not had much consideration on business policy, so I think we will need ipa for implementation policy
further consideration is postponed until a future meeting

AOB

straggler roll
Adjourned

[End of Minutes]
Formatted on 2008-08-25 at 16:55:35 GMT-7


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