Draft minutes from 2009-04-27 are attached

[Bob Freund <bob.freund@hitachisoftware.com>]

Title: SCA-Policy - 2009-04-27

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Oasis SCA-Policy Teleconference

27 APR 2009

Attendees

Present

fred carter	AmberPoint	Group Member
Dale Moberg	Axway Software*	Group Member
Jacques Durand	Fujitsu Limited*	Group Member
Robert Freund	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Eric Wells	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
David Booz	IBM	Group Member
Mike Edwards	IBM	Group Member
Martin Chapman	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Anish Karmarkar	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Rich Levinson	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Ashok Malhotra	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Jeff Mischkinsky	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Sanjay Patil	SAP AG*	Group Member
Plamen Pavlov	SAP AG*	Group Member
Fabian Ritzmann	Sun Microsystems	Group Member
Tai-Hsing Cha	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member
Murty Gurajada	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member

Chairs

David Booz
Ashok Malhotra

Scribe

Eric Wells

Agenda:

SCA Policy Telecon - April 27 2009

Callin Number: See below

Chatroom: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/sca-policy-TC

1. Roll call

2. Confirm minute taker

3. Agenda bashing

4. Meeting Minutes
Vote to accept minutes from April 20 2009
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200904/msg00029.html

5. TC Logistics:
a. Recording issue status - 3 Open

6. CD02 and PRD status update
a. PR has begun! Subscribe to the comments list here:
http://www.oasis-open.org/kmlm/member/list?list_name=sca-policy-comment
b. Real PR issue process

7. ACTION ITEMS:
a. ACTION 20090420-01: Dave to add the version of the Policy spec used as the basis for the Test Assertions to the test assertions document.
- done
b. ACTION 20090420-02: Ashok to add comment to the test assertions document that Tas 22 & 23 are not testable and we should consider
removing them
- done
c. ACTION 20090420-03: Ashok to raise issue re POL30024 -- is this required even if intents are not supported?
- done

8. New Issues
a. ISSUE-79: Do intents need to be supported if only External Attachment supported
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-79

9. Blocking Issue Discussion
None

10. Testing Discussion
a. Review latest pass at test assertion examples
Latest document: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200904/msg00033.html

11. Additional Issue Discussion
a. ISSUE 73: XPath samples are invalid by syntax
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-73
Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200903/msg00039.html

b. ISSUE 76: Conformance statement 30011 is unclear
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-76
Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200904/msg00015.html

c. ISSUE 78: Namespace declarations are incorrect for http://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/sca-assembly/SCA_XSDS/sca-policy-1.1-intents-definitions-cd02.xml
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-78
no proposal

12. AOB
a. straggler role

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Contents

Topics

[1]  Opening

[2]  TC Logistics

[3]  CD02 and PRD status update

[4]  Action Items

[5]  New Issues

[6]  Blocking Issue Discussion
None

[7]  Testing Discussion
a. Review latest pass at test assertion examples
Latest document: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200904/msg00033.html

[8]  AOB

Table of Resolutions

Table of Action Items

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Action Items

Done:

id=2009-04-20-1 status=done Dave to add the version of the Policy spec used as the basis for the Test Assertions to the test assertions document.

id=2009-04-20-2 status=done Ashok to add comment to the test assertions document that Tas 22 & 23 are not testable and we should consider

id=2009-04-20-3 status=done Ashok to raise issue re POL30024 -- is this required even if intents are not supported?

New:

id=2009-04-27-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Editors (DaveB) to create JIRA for PR comments

id=2009-04-27-2 status=pending owner="DaveB" Raise issue to make statements underlying POL-30023A/B non-normative

id=2009-04-27-3 status=pending owner="EricW" Review POL-40005 and propose how to handle

id=2009-04-27-4 status=pending owner="Ashok" Combine POL-40010A/B into single TA

id=2009-04-27-5 status=pending owner="DaveB" Raise issue to restore Rule 2 for POL-40015

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Resolutions

• 2009-04-27-1: Issue POLICY-79 opened w/o

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Minutes

Scribe: Eric Wells

Opening

Roll call - 13/18 = 72% Quorate

Minutes of April 20 2009

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200904/msg00029.html

approved w/o

TC Logistics

Agenda approved without changes

3 open issues @ start

CD02 and PRD status update

Action: owner=Editors Editors (DaveB) to create JIRA for PR comments

Action Items

Action: id=2009-04-20-1 status=done Dave to add the version of the Policy spec used as the basis for the Test Assertions to the test assertions document.

Action: id=2009-04-20-2 status=done Ashok to add comment to the test assertions document that Tas 22 & 23 are not testable and we should consider

Action: id=2009-04-20-3 status=done Ashok to raise issue re POL30024 -- is this required even if intents are not supported?

New Issues

ISSUE-79: Do intents need to be supported if only External Attachment supported
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-79

Motion: Open issue POLICY-79 m=Ashok s=MartinC

Resolution: Issue POLICY-79 opened w/o

Blocking Issue Discussion
None

Testing Discussion
a. Review latest pass at test assertion examples
Latest document: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/200904/msg00033.html

POL-30023A/B

Ashok:

POL-30023A/B are not testable - can only test an error is rasie at runtime

 

...this is covered by POL-40009

 

...we should remove these assertions

General agreement with this

DaveB:

We should make underlying statements non-normative

Action: owner=DaveB Raise issue to make statements underlying POL-30023A/B non-normative

POL-40005

Ashok:

Do we want one very long complex predicate or ???

EricW:

I took a look but didn't get to grips with it

 

...will take another look this week and see what I can do

Action: owner=EricW Review POL-40005 and propose how to handle

POL-40007A/B

Covers configuration with WS-Policy

POL-40009

Testable version of POL-30023A/B

Mutually exclusive intents

POL-40010A/B

policySet using attachTo

Ashok:

How to test?

DaveB:

Made them optional as one of A/B needs to be supported

EricW:

Can use logic in single predicate as long as its clear what is tested and how

Action: owner=Ashok Combine POL-40010A/B into single TA

POL-40013

policySet with attachTo attribute

POL-40014

Intents below top of implementation hierarchy

POL-40015

<Mike Edwards>

Joining now...

Intents on implementation and structural hierarchy

Ashok:

Apply Rule 1 then Rule 2 - but there doesnt seem to be a Rule 2

DaveB:

Related to POL-40005

 

...found Rule 2 in CD01 rev 14

Action: owner=DaveB Raise issue to restore Rule 2 for POL-40015

MikeE:

Doesn't like the predicate

 

...better to write as something that exists only if Rules are applied in order

 

...this is easier to write as a test

Ashok:

I will rewrite when Rule 2 is restored

POL-40016A/B

Intents applied to interface elements

MikeE:

Break down into multiple TA's to simplify - one for service, one for binding, etc

Single normative statement can map to multiple TA's

MikeE:

Don't separate out bindings include from start

<Ashok>

Ashok provided by binding or service/reference

POL-40017

Mutually exclusive intents

Ashok:

Almost duplicates POL-40009 - but this is referring to resulting intents

 

...POL-40009 refers to attached intents.

MikeE:

Target s/b SCA runtime

<Mike Edwards>

Sorry not to be able to scribe today

Review of TA's halted after POL-40017

AOB

Straggler role: Mike Edwards

BobF:

Offers to format minutes

EricW:

Gratefully accepted

COB: 9:59AM PDT

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