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Subject: Re: [sca-policy] Further Thoughts on Issue 87
So we should open the issue and clarify the wording. I'm also in favor of adding Raymond's example but a bit worried that a large example will break up the flow of the document. Perhaps as an Appendix? All the best, Ashok David Booz wrote: > > Include processing is slightly different from the include-like process > that happens to deployment composites. For example, composite services > and references are treated differently. Raymond and I looked at the > text in assembly which talks about deployment as an include operation. > I came to the conclusion that a wording tweak is needed there. Aside > from the examples Raymond cited, it would also be useful to clarify > the words in policy to say that @attachTo xpath expression evaluation > happens AFTER deployment. I think it's too subtle to expect the reader > to pick up on the "include" words as also referring to deployment. > > Dave Booz > STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture > Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC > "Distributed objects first, then world hunger" > Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093 > e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com > > Inactive hide details for Mike Edwards ---09/22/2009 05:33:53 > AM---Raymond, OK, thanks for the reply - and I think that you mayMike > Edwards ---09/22/2009 05:33:53 AM---Raymond, OK, thanks for the reply > - and I think that you may have some useful > > > From: > Mike Edwards <mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com> > > To: > "OASIS Policy" <sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org> > > Date: > 09/22/2009 05:33 AM > > Subject: > Re: [sca-policy] Further Thoughts on Issue 87 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Raymond, > > OK, thanks for the reply - and I think that you may have some useful > examples that we can add to the spec. > > Comments inline. > > Yours, Mike. > > Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO. > Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC. > IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain. > Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014 Mobile: +44-7802-467431 > Email: mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com > > From: Raymond Feng <rfeng@us.ibm.com> > To: "OASIS Policy" <sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org> > Date: 21/09/2009 23:29 > Subject: Re: [sca-policy] Further Thoughts on Issue 87 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Hi, Mike, > > Thanks for the clarification. I put together a sample scenario at [1]. > In this case, two composites Composite 1 and Composite 2 are deployed > to the SCA domain. Composite 1 includes Composite 3 while Composite 4 > is used as implementation.composite for both Component1B and > Component2B. I have a few questions with some possible interpretations. > > What are the composites in the info set to apply the xpath? > > * domain composite, composite 1, composite 2 and two copies of > composite 4? > * domain composite and two copies of composite 4? * > <mje> It's this second case. Composite1 and Composite2 don't really > exist in the configuration - what is there is the set of* * > components that they contributed into the Domain composite - > Component1A, Component1B, Component2A, Component2B.* * > </mje>* > * or? > > Does the xpath apply to Composite 1 and 2 before they are added to the > Domain Composite? > Or do we only evaluate the xpath against the Domain Composite after > the virtual includes are processed? * > <mje>* * > I thought that the Policy spec was explicit on this point, so your > question has me worried that adding stuff to the Domain composite is* * > not well described enough (and this is an issue for the Assembly spec). * > * > Include processing is done FIRST - before any XPath evaluation. This > covers the include processing implied by the deployment of* * > composites into the Domain.* * > </mje>* > > Can we give a few examples here? *<mje> Sure - and perhaps we can add > these to the spec to aid clarity</mje>* > > a) Select all top-level components in the domain: > //composite[@name='']/component * <mje> Yep </mje>* > b) Select all components in Composite1 (Is it even possible to use the > attributes of the <composite>?): > //composite[@name='Composite1']/component * > <mje>There is no obvious way to do this.</mje>* > c) Select Component3A: //component[@name='Component3A'] * <mje> Note > that this selects all components with a name Component3A </mje>* > d) Select Component4A on path Component2B/Component4A: > //component[URIRef('Component2B/Component4A') * > <mje> Yes, this selects a specific use of Component4A - guaranteed > unique </mje>* > > Thanks, > Raymond > [1] > _http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tuscany/java/sca/modules/policy-builder/src/test/resources/org/apache/tuscany/sca/policy/builder/impl/scenario.png_ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Raymond Feng* > Senior Software Engineer, Apache Tuscany PMC Member & Committer / > IBM Bay Area Lab, 1001 E Hillsdale Blvd, Suite 400, Foster City, CA > 94404, USA/*/ > E-mail/*/: //_rfeng@us.ibm.com_/ <mailto:rfeng@us.ibm.com>/, > /*/Notes/*/: Raymond Feng/Burlingame/IBM, /*/Tel/*/: 650-645-8117, > /*/T/L/*/: 367-8117/*/ > Apache Tuscany/*/: //_http://tuscany.apache.org_/ > <http://tuscany.apache.org/>/ > Co-author of Tuscany In Action: //_http://www.manning.com/laws_// / > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mike Edwards <mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com> wrote on 09/21/2009 04:59:25 AM: > > > From: > > > > Mike Edwards <mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com> > > > > To: > > > > "OASIS Policy" <sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org> > > > > Date: > > > > 09/21/2009 05:00 AM > > > > Subject: > > > > Re: [sca-policy] Further Thoughts on Issue 87 > > > > > > Folks, > > > > There is a basic misunderstanding that is affecting this debate. > > > > It follows from a statement made early on: > > > > "My understanding is that we use the domain composite as the infoset > > to apply the > > xpath for @attachTo. All included composites have been merged before > > the evaluation." > > > > NO. This is NOT what is meant by the "Infoset for External Attachment" > > > > What it means is ALL SCA Composite files. Not some tree starting at > > the Domain Composite, but the set of separate > > files. > > > > So there is NEVER any question of having to recurse into some > > <implementation.composite/> element. > > > > > > This was the whole point of defining the Infoset for External > > Attachment in the way described in section 4.4.1. > > > > The target of @appliesTo is all the composites in the domain - each > > taken as a composite file and no more. > > The exceptions are included composites - only the including > > composites are targeted and then any including > > is done before evaluating the @appliesTo. > > > > There is no humongous tree of composites made up by tracing through > > <implementation.composite/> > > elements. > > > > All that there is is a set of composites - the ones that are used in > > the Domain. > > > > Each composite is taken separately and the XPath of @appliesTo is > > run against that composite, with includes done > > before the evaluation, if there are any includes. > > > > > > Yours, Mike. > > > > Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO. > > Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC. > > IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain. > > Phone & FAX: +44-1962-818014 Mobile: +44-7802-467431 > > Email: mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com > > > > > > > From: > > > > Raymond Feng <rfeng@us.ibm.com> > > > > To: > > > > ashok.malhotra@oracle.com > > > > Cc: > > > > OASIS Policy <sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org> > > > > Date: > > > > 17/09/2009 00:23 > > > > Subject: > > > > Re: [sca-policy] Further Thoughts on Issue 87 > > > > > > > > > > > > I was assuming that "uri" is an attribute for the "component" > > element. But even with that, we still have issues for the inner > > composite. The following shows the domain composite and inner > composite. > > > > [1] > > <composite xmlns:ns2="_http://ns2_ <http://ns2/>" ...> > > <component name="Component1" uri="Component1"> > > <implementation.composite name="ns2:InnerComposite"/> > > </component> > > </composite> > > > > Applying //component[@uri='Component1/Component2'] against the xml > > still doesn't select Component2 as it is NOT an element in the tree. > > If we inline the inner composite into the domain composite as > > illustrated below, the it could work. > > > > [2] > > <composite xmlns:ns2="_http://ns2_ <http://ns2/>" ...> > > <component name="Component1" uri="Component1"> > > <implementation.composite name="ns2:InnerComposite"> > > <!-- For demo purpose, Inline the inner composite --> > > <composite targetNamespace="_http://ns2_ <http://ns2/>" > name="InnerComposite"> > > <service name="Service1" promote="Component2/Service1"/> > > <reference name="ref1" promote="Component2/ref1"/> > > <component name="Component2" uri="Component1/Component2"> > > <implementation.java class="sample.Component2Impl"/> > > </component> > > </composite> > > </implementation.composite> > > </component> > > </composite> > > > > I'm arguing if we should take [2] instead of [1] as the info set to > > apply the xpath. > > > > Thanks, > > Raymond > > Raymond Feng > > Senior Software Engineer, Apache Tuscany PMC Member & Committer > > IBM Bay Area Lab, 1001 E Hillsdale Blvd, Suite 400, Foster City, CA > 94404, USA > > E-mail: rfeng@us.ibm.com, Notes: Raymond Feng/Burlingame/IBM, Tel: > > 650-645-8117, T/L: 367-8117 > > Apache Tuscany: _http://tuscany.apache.org_ <http://tuscany.apache.org/> > > Co-author of Tuscany In Action: _http://www.manning.com/laws_ > > > > > > ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote on 09/16/2009 > 01:31:20 PM: > > > > > From: > > > > > > ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Raymond Feng/Burlingame/IBM@IBMUS > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > OASIS Policy <sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org> > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > 09/16/2009 01:33 PM > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > Re: [sca-policy] Further Thoughts on Issue 87 > > > > > > Hi Raymond: > > > I think I understand your concern now. > > > Although the Assembly spec defines a URI scheme to identify embedded > > > composites, the URI > > > does not appear as an attribute and, thus, cannot be used for > selection. > > > I believe we need to raise an issue against the Assembly spec. Do > you > > > want to do it or shall I raise it? > > > All the best, Ashok > > > > > > > > > Raymond Feng wrote: > > > > If we look at the domain composite: > > > > > > > > <composite xmlns:ns2="_http://ns2_ > <http://ns2/> <_http://ns2/_>" ...> > > > > <component name="Component1"> > > > > <implementation.composite > name="ns2:InnerComposite"/> > > > > </component> > > > > </composite> > > > > > > > > Applying //component[@uri='Component1/Component2'] against the xml > > > > document above won't find Component2. There are no component > elements > > > > in the XML tree whose uri attribute is 'Component1/Component2'. > > > > > > > > What I'm arguing is that the XML infoset for the domain composite > > > > doesn't recursively go into the inner composite used for > > > > "implementation.composite" because the inner composite is > referenced > > > > by a QName (similar with the include case, but the spec resolves > that > > > > by flattening the included composites first). The xpath only > works if > > > > we inline the inner composite by value as illustrated below: > > > > > > > > <composite xmlns:ns2="_http://ns2_ <http://ns2/> <_http://ns2/_> > <_http://ns2/_> > > > > <_http://ns2/_>" ...> > > > > <component name="Component1"> > > > > <implementation.composite name="ns2:InnerComposite"> > > > > <!-- For demo purpose, Inline the inner composite --> > > > > <composite targetNamespace="_http://ns2_ > <http://ns2/> <_http://ns2/_>" > > > > name="InnerComposite"> > > > > <service name="Service1" promote="Component2/Service1"/> > > > > <reference name="ref1" promote="Component2/ref1"/> > > > > <component name="Component2"> > > > > <implementation.java > class="sample.Component2Impl"/> > > > > </component> > > > > </composite> > > > > </implementation.composite> > > > > </component> > > > > </composite> > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Raymond > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > *Raymond Feng* > > > > Senior Software Engineer, Apache Tuscany PMC Member & Committer > > > > /IBM Bay Area Lab, 1001 E Hillsdale Blvd, Suite 400, Foster > City, CA > > > > 94404, USA* > > > > E-mail*//: //_rfeng@us.ibm.com_/ <_mailto:rfeng@us.ibm.com_>/, > > > > *Notes*//: Raymond Feng/Burlingame/IBM, *Tel*//: 650-645-8117, > > > > *T/L*//: 367-8117* > > > > Apache Tuscany*//: //_http://tuscany.apache.org_/ > > > > <_http://tuscany.apache.org/_>/ > > > > Co-author of Tuscany In Action: //_http://www.manning.com/laws_// / > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote on 09/16/2009 > > > > 11:25:12 AM: > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > Raymond Feng/Burlingame/IBM@IBMUS > > > > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > > > > > OASIS Policy <sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org> > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > 09/16/2009 11:27 AM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > > > Re: [sca-policy] Further Thoughts on Issue 87 > > > > > > > > > > Raymond: > > > > > I checked the Assembly spec and I think the URI for Component2 is > > > > > Component1/Component2 > > > > > Thus, //component[@uri='Component1/Component2']should find > Component2 > > > > > provided > > > > > the URI is surfaced as an attribute called URI. > > > > > > > > > > Is the problem "How to find a component given its URI" ? > > > > > > > > > > All the best, Ashok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond Feng wrote: > > > > > > Do you mind giving me the xpath to select Component2 in my > example? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > *Raymond Feng* > > > > > > Senior Software Engineer, Apache Tuscany PMC Member & Committer > > > > > > /IBM Bay Area Lab, 1001 E Hillsdale Blvd, Suite 400, Foster > City, CA > > > > > > 94404, USA* > > > > > > E-mail*//: //_rfeng@us.ibm.com_/ <_mailto:rfeng@us.ibm.com_>/, > > > > > > *Notes*//: Raymond Feng/Burlingame/IBM, *Tel*//: 650-645-8117, > > > > > > *T/L*//: 367-8117* > > > > > > Apache Tuscany*//: //_http://tuscany.apache.org_/ > > > > > > <_http://tuscany.apache.org/_>/ > > > > > > Co-author of Tuscany In Action: > //_http://www.manning.com/laws_// / > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote on 09/16/2009 > > > > > > 09:11:35 AM: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond Feng/Burlingame/IBM@IBMUS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OASIS Policy <sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 09/16/2009 09:13 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [sca-policy] Further Thoughts on Issue 87 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond: > > > > > > > Re. your example, the spec says: > > > > > > > "Where the policySet is intended to be specific to a > particular use > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > composite file (rather than to all uses of the composite), the > > > > > > > structuralURI of a component is used to attach policySet to a > > > > specific > > > > > > > use of a nested component, as described in the SCA Assembly > > > > > > > specification [SCA-Assembly]." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, the "structuralURI" of component2 must be used to > refer to it. > > > > > > > Is this unclear or are you not happy with the solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best, Ashok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond Feng wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, Ashok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm running into > similar > > > > issues. > > > > > > > > Please see my comments inline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > *Raymond Feng* > > > > > > > > Senior Software Engineer, Apache Tuscany PMC Member & > Committer > > > > > > > > /IBM Bay Area Lab, 1001 E Hillsdale Blvd, Suite 400, Foster > > > > City, CA > > > > > > > > 94404, USA* > > > > > > > > E-mail*//: //_rfeng@us.ibm.com_/ > <_mailto:rfeng@us.ibm.com_>/, > > > > > > > > *Notes*//: Raymond Feng/Burlingame/IBM, *Tel*//: > 650-645-8117, > > > > > > > > *T/L*//: 367-8117* > > > > > > > > Apache Tuscany*//: //_http://tuscany.apache.org_/ > > > > > > > > <_http://tuscany.apache.org/_>/ > > > > > > > > Co-author of Tuscany In Action: > > > > //_http://www.manning.com/laws_// / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote on > 09/16/2009 > > > > > > > > 07:24:21 AM: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OASIS Policy <sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 09/16/2009 07:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [sca-policy] Further Thoughts on Issue 87 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Issue 87 was raised because the XPath syntax in the > example > > > > > > Snippet 3-5 > > > > > > > > > in section 3.4 was thought to be > > > > > > > > > incorrect. On subsequent checking it turned out that the > > > > syntax > > > > > > was, > > > > > > > > > indeed, correct. > > > > > > > > > An XPath expression that consists of an unadorned > element name > > > > > > selects > > > > > > > > > all element children of the > > > > > > > > > context node with that name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right. The XPath that doesn't start with / is a > > > > relative one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The spec (lines 457-458) says "Note that the XPath > > > > expression will > > > > > > > > > always be evaluated within the context of an attachment > > > > considering > > > > > > > > > elements where binding instances or implementations > are allowed > > > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > present. The expression is evaluated against /the parent > > > > element > > > > > > of any > > > > > > > > > binding or implementation element/." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, if a policySet is attached high at the component > > > > level, its > > > > > > > > > applicability needs to be examined against the parent > element > > > > > > > > > of any binding or implementation element. That is, > the context > > > > > > node is > > > > > > > > > set, in turn to each such parent element and the XPath > is then > > > > > > > > > evaluated. This seems unduly onerous, so I suggested > changing > > > > > > the spec > > > > > > > > > to say that the context node > > > > > > > > > is the root of the SCDL document. An expression such as > > > > > > //binding.ws > > > > > > > > > would then select all binding.ws elements anywhere > > > > > > > > > in the SCDL. This seems to me to be significantly > simpler to > > > > > > evaluate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave, pointed out that this would not cover included > > > > composites and > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > this was a problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On further reflection, I realized that to evaluate the > > > > @attachTp > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > case of external attachment we create an > > > > > > > > > */Infoset for External Attachment/* See line 844. > This does > > > > > > cover the > > > > > > > > > included composites and the @appliesTo in > > > > > > > > > policySets could be evaluated using the root of this > constructed > > > > > > > > InfoSet > > > > > > > > > as the context element. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My understanding is that we use the domain composite as the > > > > > > infoset to > > > > > > > > apply the > > > > > > > > xpath for @attchTo. All included composites have been > merged > > > > before > > > > > > > > the evaluation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do people think? Details of the construction of the > > > > > > */Infoset for > > > > > > > > > External Attachment/* are copied below for > > > > > > > > > easy reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. The Domain is treated as a special composite, > with > > > > a blank > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > - "" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Where one composite includes one or more other > > > > > > composites, it > > > > > > > > > is the including composite which is addressed by the > XPath > > > > and its > > > > > > > > > contents are the result of preprocessing all of the > include > > > > elements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Where the policySet is intended to be specific to a > > > > > > particular > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > of a composite file (rather than to all uses of the > > > > > > composite), the > > > > > > > > > structuralURI of a component is used to attach > policySet to a > > > > > > specific > > > > > > > > > use of a nested component, as described in the SCA > Assembly > > > > > > > > > specification [SCA-Assembly]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to clarify on the "implementation.composite" case. > > > > Taking the > > > > > > > > following example: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Domain composite: > > > > > > > > <composite xmlns:ns2="_http://ns2_ > <http://ns2/> <_http://ns2/_> <_http://ns2/_> > > > > <_http://ns2/_>" ...> > > > > > > > > <component name="Component1"> > > > > > > > > <implementation.composite > > > > name="ns2:InnerComposite"/> > > > > > > > > </component> > > > > > > > > </composite> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inner Composite: > > > > > > > > <composite targetNamespace="_http://ns2_ > <http://ns2/> <_http://ns2/_> > > > > <_http://ns2/_> <_http://ns2/_>" > > > > > > > > name="InnerComposite"> > > > > > > > > <service name="Service1" > promote="Component2/Service1"/> > > > > > > > > <reference name="ref1" promote="Component2/ref1"/> > > > > > > > > <component name="Component2"> > > > > > > > > <implementation.java > > > > class="sample.Component2Impl"/> > > > > > > > > </component> > > > > > > > > </composite> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that in the XML infoset of the domain > composite, the > > > > > > inner > > > > > > > > composite is referenced by QName, > > > > > > > > not by the value. That means the XML representation of > the inner > > > > > > > > composite is not part of the domain composite > > > > > > > > document. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do we define the xpath to select the Component2 in > this case? > > > > > > > > Using the domain composite as the root, I don't think > > > > > > > > //component[@uri='Component1/Component2'] will find any > nodes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do we expect the URIRef function to go beyond one single > DOM > > > > document? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --The XPath expression can make use of the unique > URI to > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > specific use instances, where different policySets > need to be > > > > > > used for > > > > > > > > > those different instances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should clearly define the signature of the XPath > > > > functions > > > > > > > > such as URIRef, IntentRef. It is not clear what return types > > > > > > > > are in the current spec. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > All the best, Ashok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the > OASIS > > > > TC that > > > > > > > > > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in > > > > OASIS at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > > > generates this mail. 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