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Subject: Minutes from 2011-07-18 for review


Please find attached draft minutes from Monday’s telecon.

 

I had to edit them a little so please let me know if there are any errors.

 

Best Regards,

                      Eric.

Eric Wells

Consulting Engineer

Hitachi Computer Products (America) Inc.

Cell: +1 415 672 2594

eric.wells@hitachisoftware.com

 

 

Title: SCA-Policy - 2011-07-18


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Oasis SCA-Policy Teleconference

18 JUL 2011

Attendees

Present

Eric WellsHitachi, Ltd.Group Member
David BoozIBMGroup Member
Mike EdwardsIBMGroup Member
Simon HoldsworthIBMGroup Member
Martin ChapmanOracleGroup Member
Anish KarmarkarOracleGroup Member
Rich LevinsonOracleGroup Member
Ashok MalhotraOracleGroup Member
Plamen PavlovSAP AG*Group Member
Tai-Hsing ChaTIBCO Software Inc.Group Member
Murty GurajadaTIBCO Software Inc.Group Member

Chairs

David Booz
Ashok Malhotra

Scribe

Eric Wells

Agenda:

Agenda SCA Policy Telecon - July 18 2011

Callin Number: See below

Chatroom: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/sca-policy-TC

1. Roll call

2. Confirm minute taker

3. Agenda bashing

4. Meeting Minutes
Vote to accept minutes from Nov 29 2010
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/40460/SCA%20Policy%20minutes%202010-11-29.pdf

5. TC Administrivia:
a. Recording issue status - 0 Open

6. ACTION ITEMS:
a. 20101129-01: Done: (Dave) to raise an issue with the Assembly TC to add required material to the testsuite adaption document

7. Specification Status
a. FW Specification CD04 published
b. Test Assertion spec CD02 published
c. TestCases spec CD02 publlished

8. New Issues
a. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-130
Remove Normative Statements which are Optional or which relate to Optional capabilities

b. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-131
Policy TestCases & TestAssertions documents have no Conformance statements

c. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-132
XPath values for @attachTo, @appliesTo are missing sca: prefix


9. Issue Discussion
a. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-130
Remove Normative Statements which are Optional or which relate to Optional capabilities

Discussion Thread:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/201107/msg00008.html

b. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-131
Policy TestCases & TestAssertions documents have no Conformance statements


c. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/POLICY-132
XPath values for @attachTo, @appliesTo are missing sca: prefix

10. Exit Criteria
Proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-policy/201107/msg00010.html

11. AOB
a. straggler role

Contents

Topics
[1]  Opening
[2]  Administrivia
[3]  Action Items
[4]  Specification Status
[5]  New Issues
[6]  POLICY-130: Remove Normative Statements which are Optional or which relate to Optional capabilities
[7]  POLICY-131: Policy TestCases & TestAssertions documents have no Conformance statements
[8]  POLICY-132: XPath values for @attachTo, @appliesTo are missing sca: prefix
[9]  Open Issues
[10]  POLICY-130
[11]  POLICY-131
[12]  POLICY-132
[13]  Next Call
[14]  Exit Criteria
[15]  AOB
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items

Action Items

Done:
id=2010-11-29-1 status=done owner="DaveB" to raise an issue with the Assembly TC to add required material to the testsuite adaption document
New:
id=2011-07-18-1 status=pending owner="MikeE" Editors to apply resolution of POLICY-132 in JIRA
id=2011-07-18-2 status=pending owner="MikeE" Prepare new documents for CSD vote

Resolutions


Minutes

Scribe: Eric Wells

Opening

Roll call 10/14 = 71% Quorate (> 2/3)
Agenda Approval
DaveB:
Reviews agenda
AshokM:
Add item about next telecon - approved
Approval of Minutes from 2010-11-19
No discussion or objections
Resolution: Minutes of 2010-11-29 approved w//o

Administrivia

No open issues
<anish>
anyone else getting static on the line, or just me?
<Ashok Malhotra>
There is a fair bit of static
<anish>
i can hear dave fine, just kinda of irritating to hear the static as well

Action Items

Action: id=2010-11-29-1 status=done owner=DaveB to raise an issue with the Assembly TC to add required material to the testsuite adaption document
DaveB:
Raised issue in SCA Assembly TC on 2011-07-12

Specification Status

a. FW Specification CD04 published
b. Test Assertion spec CD02 published
c. TestCases spec CD02 publlished

New Issues

POLICY-130: Remove Normative Statements which are Optional or which relate to Optional capabilities

<anish>
the static is getting worse :-(
MikeE:
Reviews issue - Difficulties with optional statements
... Optional statements:

POL40031
POL40033
POL80001
POL80002
<Ashok Malhotra>
MikeE moves to open POL130 Eric seconds
Motion: Open POLICY-130 m=MikeE s=EricW
<Ashok Malhotra>
POL130 opened w/o objection
Resolution: POLICY-130 opened w/o

POLICY-131: Policy TestCases & TestAssertions documents have no Conformance statements

<Dave Booz>
operator is looking into the static now
MikeE:
Reviews issue
EricW:
Everything has gone silent
<Dave Booz>
might have been you that the operator dropped
<Mike Edwards>
we can't hear you Eric
EricW:
Yup! Dialing back in
EricW:
Swapped phones - any better?
<Ashok Malhotra>
MikeE moves to open POL131 Plamen seconds
Motion: Open POLICY-131 m=MikeE s=PlamenP
<Ashok Malhotra>
POL131 opened w/o objection
Resolution: POLICY-131 opened w/o

POLICY-132: XPath values for @attachTo, @appliesTo are missing sca: prefix

<Ashok Malhotra>
<Ashok Malhotra>
MikeE moves to open POL132 Plamen seconds
Motion: Open POLICY-132 m=MikeE s=PlamenP
Resolution: POLICY-132 opened w/o

Open Issues

POLICY-130

<Mike Edwards>
Issue 130 Proposal
<Mike Edwards>
<Mike Edwards>
Section 4.14.1
Statements: 4029, 4030, 4031, 4032, 4033
MikeE:
All related to redeployment - which is not a required function
 
...proposes rewording to remove normative RFC2119 language
Section 8.1 Relibility Policy Intents
Statements: 8001, 8002
MikeE:
These used MAY - but should be made mandatory
 
...just removed MAY keyword
Motion: Resolve POLICY-130 with proposal in JIRA m=MikeE s=PlamenP
Resolution: POLICY-130 resolved with proposal in JIRA w/o

POLICY-131

<Mike Edwards>
EricW:
Guys - my line is dead again!
<Ashok Malhotra>
np ... I'll scribe meanwhile
EricW:
Back again
<Dave Booz>
<Ashok Malhotra>
Updated links:
MikeE:
Reviews changes to wd021a
Test Assertions in Appendix A
Cross links (TA -> Normative) Appendix B
Mapping (TA -> TC) Appendix C
MikeE:
Resolution of POLICY-130 has made some statements non-normative
<Mike Edwards>
Conformance Section - Section 5
<Mike Edwards>
Now says:
<Mike Edwards>
The artifacts contained in the sca-policy-1.1-testcases.zip file are considered to be authoritative and take precedence over the artifacts described in this document.
An implementation that claims to conform to this specification MUST be able to run all test cases in one of the 3 groups of test cases described in Section 4 "TestCases grouped by Capability", producing the 'Expected Output'.
 
...no impact on TC's as there were no test cases - TA's have been removed
MikeE:
Added conformance statement to comply with OASIS requirements
No discussion
Motion: Resolve POLICY-131 with proposal shown in wd021a (link above) m=MikeE s=PlamenP
Resolution: POLICY-131 is resoved with proposal shown in wd021a (link above) w/o

POLICY-132

AshokM:
Namespaces causing problems - this is a bug
Motion: Resolve POLICY-132 with proposal in JIRA m=MikeE s=PlamenP
Resolution: POLICY-132 is resolved with proposal in JIRA w/o
Action: owner=MikeE Editors to apply resolution of POLICY-132 in JIRA

Next Call

DaveB:
25th July or 1st August - maybe quorum problem on 25th but DaveB out on 1st Aug
 
...prefer 25th but no point if not quorate
AshokM:
No issues to open (so far) so only need >50%
DaveB:
Vote for CSD only needs >50%
Next Call Monday 2011-07-25 usual time slot 12:00PM EDT 9:00AM PDT
Action: owner=MikeE Prepare new documents for CSD vote

Exit Criteria

MikeE:
Just mirrors SCA Assembly Exit Criteria
 
...but lots of controversy and still not completely settled - although similar words have been adpoted
Time
No discussion in time remaining

AOB

Straggler Roll
RichL
Adjourned 10:01AM PDT
EricW:
Dave/Ashok I will add roll and tidy the minutes up before posting

[End of Minutes]
Formatted on 2011-07-19 at 00:29:41 GMT-7


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