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Subject: Re: [sca-policy] Question about Exit Criteria raised on Assembly TC call


Jeff,

Unfortunately searching through email archives is not going to provide an answer. My question is not whether there was an official resolution on the Exit Criteria as defined by the Policy TC Charter having been met. There has not been such a resolution.

Rather, I'm trying to understand if there are any criteria that have not been met. This is important to get clear as there was a misunderstanding specifically related to completion of a criterion on the last Assembly call. It's also important for interested parties to know what outstanding items remain to be completed. 

I think it is the job of the Policy TC chair to clarify this. Ashok, can you please do so?

Thanks,
Jim
   


On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Jeff Mischkinsky <jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com> wrote:
jim,
 I suggest you search through the minutes of Policy and see if the TC voted to say that the exit criteria as defined in the Charter and further fleshed  by TC motions, has been met.

  If the TC has not so voted, then the answer is no. I don't recall, and obviously you don't either. I suspect the fastest way for you to answer your own question is simply look through the minutes and see what they say.

In other TCs, folks made statements and provided evidence when they thought the exit criteria was met. TC members then had an opportunity to examine the supporting statements and evidence and decide if thee criteria had been met.

I also note that the exit criteria constitute a minimum (i.e. necessary) requirement for holding a CS vote. i.e. voting to approval as an OASIS Final Deliverable is a separate discussion.

-jeff


On Oct 01, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Jim Marino wrote:

> Martin,
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> I'm perplexed why my question is so difficult to answer. I'm also very disappointed in your response. As a chair of the Assembly TC and someone with a lot of OASIS experience, wouldn't it be better to help out with formulating the question in a more appropriate way, if that needs to be done?
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> I'm trying to be as clear as possible: Have the Exit Criteria as identified in the SCA Policy TC Charter (https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/sca-policy/charter.php) been met? If not, what remains to be done?
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> The Exit Criteria as identified in the SCA Policy TC Charter do not contain any references to the SCA Assembly or SCA Bindings TCs or the respective specifications. This implies the Exit Criteria are a discrete topic.
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> Can someone speak authoritatively to the above question?
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> Thanks,
> Jim
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> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Martin Chapman <martin.chapman@oracle.com> wrote:
> But that’s an invalid question if the exit criteria does not apply to the TC.
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> So I am not sure what you are trying to get at!
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> Martin
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> From: Jim Marino [mailto:jim.marino@gmail.com]
> Sent: 01 October 2013 17:34
> To: Martin Chapman
> Cc: ASHOK MALHOTRA; sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org
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> Subject: Re: [sca-policy] Re: Question about Exit Criteria raised on Assembly TC call
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> Hi Martin,
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> I don't know whether the Exit Criteria apply to the TC or Specifications itself but that is orthogonal to the question I asked. By "Exit Criteria", I mean what is defined in the Policy TC Charter (https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/sca-policy/charter.php):
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> So, my question is still the same:
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> Have all of the Exit Criteria for the Policy TC been met? What are the outstanding items that have not been completed in the Policy TC Charter?
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> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Martin Chapman <martin.chapman@oracle.com> wrote:
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> I believe the exit criteria applies to specifications not to the TC itself.
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> Martin.
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> From: Jim Marino [mailto:jim.marino@gmail.com]
> Sent: 01 October 2013 10:55
> To: ASHOK MALHOTRA
> Cc: sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [sca-policy] Re: Question about Exit Criteria raised on Assembly TC call
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> Hi Ashok,
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> As chair of the TC, I think it is important you clarify the status of where we are at since there has been a fair amount of confusion. The question is:
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> This is independent of the status of the Assembly and Bindings TCs.
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> Thanks,
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> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Jim Marino <jim.marino@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Sorry I'm not explaining myself very well. I'll try and re-phrase the question:
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> Have all of the Exit Criteria for the Policy TC been met? What are the outstanding items that have not been completed in the Policy TC Charter? This is independent of Assembly and Bindings.
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> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Ashok Malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote:
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> Jim:
> We keep returning to the same issue.
> My understanding is that Assembly, Policy and Bindings would
> all meet the exit criteria, or not, together, as a bundle.
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> All the best, Ashok
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> On 9/27/2013 10:01 AM, Jim Marino wrote:
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> Thanks Ashok but my question was a slightly different: Has the *SCA Policy TC* met the Exit Criteria? I believe it has. Let me know if that is the official understanding or, if not, why.
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> Regards,
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> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Ashok Malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote:
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> Jim, it certainly seems that Fabric3 has met the SCA Policy exit criteria.
> Dave?
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> All the best, Ashok
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> On 9/27/2013 6:33 AM, Jim Marino wrote:
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> Can one of the two editors please reply to this?
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> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Jim Marino <jim.marino@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Dave and Ashok,
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> A question raised raised on the last Assembly TC call about the status of the Policy TC Exit Criteria and there was some confusion. I think we clarified that the Fabric3 conformance claim was accepted, thereby fulfilling the requirement of two independent SCA implementations:
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> 1. The original claim submitted March 6, 2013: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-policy/email/archives/201303/msg00006.html
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> 2. A motion was approved unanimously on April 4, 2014  : https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-policy/email/archives/201304/msg00006.html
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> So, my question is, am I correct in believing that the Policy TC Exit Criteria have been satisfied?
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