It took me one minute to find the record of the meeting from 4th april 2013, which I believe is the last time Policy met
(from https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-policy/email/archives/201304/msg00006.html)
Mike Edwards (UK): 10. Conformance claim from Fabric3
https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-policy/email/archives/201303/msg00006.html
Mike Edwards (UK): Jim Marino outlines the claim
Mike Edwards (UK): Dave: Next steps
Mike Edwards (UK): Mike Edwards moves to accept the conformance claim from Fabric3
Mike Edwards (UK): Ashok seconds
Mike Edwards (UK): Motion passes unanimously
Mike Edwards (UK): Fabric3 conformance claim is accepted.
Mike Edwards (UK): ACTION: Dave Booz to report the existence of 2 conforming implementations for the SCA Policy specification
Mike Edwards (UK): to SCA Assembly TC
Mike Edwards (UK): <Discussion of the next steps relating to the SCA Policy Specification itself>
Mike Edwards (UK): Dave: Also some actions are needed to update the test suite specification & artifacts
Mike Edwards (UK): ACTION: Mike to implement the resolutions of the issues resolved today
Mike Edwards (UK): Mike Edwards moves to create an electronic ballot on the question of moving the SCA Policy Specification to Committee Specification status
Mike Edwards (UK): & to designate as "Designated Cross References" those references to other SCA specifications contained in the Normative References clause of the SCA Policy specification
Mike Edwards (UK): - the version of the Policy specification concerned is CSD05/PR3
Mike Edwards (UK): ie. http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-policy/sca-policy-1.1-spec-csprd03.pdf
Mike Edwards (UK): Seconded by Ashok
Mike Edwards (UK): motion fails due to lack of time.
Mike Edwards (UK): COB
From: Ashok Malhotra
Sent: 02 October 2013 17:16
To: sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [sca-policy] Re: Question about Exit Criteria raised on Assembly TC call
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Ashok Malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote:
Jim, it certainly seems that Fabric3 has met the SCA Policy exit criteria.
I thought this answered Jim's question. AFAIK, we did not take a formal vote on whether
the exit criteria for the spec had been met.
All the best, Ashok
On 10/2/2013 8:12 AM, Mike Edwards wrote:
Folks,
I think that Jim is asking a straightforward question and it is reasonable that he is given a straight answer.
The exit criteria do indeed apply to the SCA Policy specification.
I think that the required 2 conforming implementations do exist and that as a result, the exit criteria have been met.
Whether a formal vote has taken place I do not know - it would be useful to know that.
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Mike Edwards
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From: Jim Marino <jim.marino@gmail.com>
To: sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org,
Cc: Chet Ensign <chet.ensign@oasis-open.org>
Date: 01/10/2013 20:27
Subject: Re: [sca-policy] Re: Question about Exit Criteria raised on Assembly TC call
Sent by: <sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org>
Martin,
I'm perplexed why my question is so difficult to answer. I'm also very disappointed in your response. As a chair of the Assembly TC and someone with a lot of OASIS experience, wouldn't it be better to help out with formulating the question in a more appropriate way, if that needs to be done?
I'm trying to be as clear as possible: Have the Exit Criteria as identified in the SCA Policy TC Charter (https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/sca-policy/charter.php) been met? If not, what remains to be done?
The Exit Criteria as identified in the SCA Policy TC Charter do not contain any references to the SCA Assembly or SCA Bindings TCs or the respective specifications. This implies the Exit Criteria are a discrete topic.
Can someone speak authoritatively to the above question?
Thanks,
Jim
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Martin Chapman <martin.chapman@oracle.com> wrote:
But that’s an invalid question if the exit criteria does not apply to the TC.So I am not sure what you are trying to get at!
Martin
From: Jim Marino [mailto:jim.marino@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 October 2013 17:34
To: Martin Chapman
Cc: ASHOK MALHOTRA; sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [sca-policy] Re: Question about Exit Criteria raised on Assembly TC call
Hi Martin,
I don't know whether the Exit Criteria apply to the TC or Specifications itself but that is orthogonal to the question I asked. By "Exit Criteria", I mean what is defined in the Policy TC Charter (https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/sca-policy/charter.php):
"Exit Criteria
The TC shall define concrete exit criteria that include at least two independent offerings that implement and are compliant with the all normative portions of specifications and demonstrate interoperability and portability as appropriate. Note that these are minimums and that the TC is free to set more stringent criteria."
So, my question is still the same:
Have all of the Exit Criteria for the Policy TC been met? What are the outstanding items that have not been completed in the Policy TC Charter?
Jim
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Martin Chapman <martin.chapman@oracle.com> wrote:
Jim,
I believe the exit criteria applies to specifications not to the TC itself.
Martin.
From: Jim Marino [mailto:jim.marino@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 October 2013 10:55
To: ASHOK MALHOTRA
Cc: sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [sca-policy] Re: Question about Exit Criteria raised on Assembly TC call
Hi Ashok,
As chair of the TC, I think it is important you clarify the status of where we are at since there has been a fair amount of confusion. The question is:
Have all of the Exit Criteria for the Policy TC been met? What are the outstanding items that have not been completed in the Policy TC Charter?
This is independent of the status of the Assembly and Bindings TCs.
Thanks,
Jim
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Jim Marino <jim.marino@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry I'm not explaining myself very well. I'll try and re-phrase the question:
Have all of the Exit Criteria for the Policy TC been met? What are the outstanding items that have not been completed in the Policy TC Charter? This is independent of Assembly and Bindings.
Thanks,
Jim
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Ashok Malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote:
Jim:
We keep returning to the same issue.
My understanding is that Assembly, Policy and Bindings would
all meet the exit criteria, or not, together, as a bundle.All the best, Ashok
On 9/27/2013 10:01 AM, Jim Marino wrote:
Thanks Ashok but my question was a slightly different: Has the *SCA Policy TC* met the Exit Criteria? I believe it has. Let me know if that is the official understanding or, if not, why.
Regards,
Jim
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Ashok Malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote:
Jim, it certainly seems that Fabric3 has met the SCA Policy exit criteria.
Dave?All the best, Ashok
On 9/27/2013 6:33 AM, Jim Marino wrote:
Can one of the two editors please reply to this?
Thanks,
Jim
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Jim Marino <jim.marino@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dave and Ashok,
A question raised raised on the last Assembly TC call about the status of the Policy TC Exit Criteria and there was some confusion. I think we clarified that the Fabric3 conformance claim was accepted, thereby fulfilling the requirement of two independent SCA implementations:
1. The original claim submitted March 6, 2013: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-policy/email/archives/201303/msg00006.html
2. A motion was approved unanimously on April 4, 2014 : https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-policy/email/archives/201304/msg00006.html
So, my question is, am I correct in believing that the Policy TC Exit Criteria have been satisfied?
Thanks,
Jim
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