Re: [sca-policy] Re: Question about Exit Criteria raised on Assembly TC call

[Jim Marino <jim.marino@gmail.com>]

Thanks Mike for providing a straight answer.

Ashok, I'm not sure how so much confusion arose as I did mention in my previous response to the excerpt cited below that my original question was not about Fabric3 but about the SCA Policy Exit Criteria:

"Thanks Ashok but my question was a slightly different: Has the *SCA Policy TC* met the Exit Criteria? I believe it has. Let me know if that is the official understanding or, if not, why."

It could be that my wording was misleading.

In any event, Mike asserts that the Exit Criteria have been met and that is my understanding as well. As Chair of the Policy TC, do you agree?

Thanks,

Jim

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Ashok Malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote:

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Ashok Malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote:
Jim, it certainly seems that Fabric3 has met the SCA Policy exit criteria.

I thought this answered Jim's question.  AFAIK, we did not take a formal vote on whether
the exit criteria for the spec had been met.

All the best, Ashok

On 10/2/2013 8:12 AM, Mike Edwards wrote:

Folks,

I think that Jim is asking a straightforward question and it is reasonable that he is given a straight answer.

The exit criteria do indeed apply to the SCA Policy specification.

I think that the required 2 conforming implementations do exist and that as a result, the exit criteria have been met.


Whether a formal vote has taken place I do not know - it would be useful to know that.



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From:        Jim Marino <jim.marino@gmail.com>
To:        sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org,
Cc:        Chet Ensign <chet.ensign@oasis-open.org>
Date:        01/10/2013 20:27
Subject:        Re: [sca-policy] Re: Question about Exit Criteria raised on Assembly TC call
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Martin,

I'm perplexed why my question is so difficult to answer. I'm also very disappointed in your response. As a chair of the Assembly TC and someone with a lot of OASIS experience, wouldn't it be better to help out with formulating the question in a more appropriate way, if that needs to be done?

I'm trying to be as clear as possible: Have the Exit Criteria as identified in the SCA Policy TC Charter (https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/sca-policy/charter.php) been met? If not, what remains to be done? 

The Exit Criteria as identified in the SCA Policy TC Charter do not contain any references to the SCA Assembly or SCA Bindings TCs or the respective specifications. This implies the Exit Criteria are a discrete topic.

Can someone speak authoritatively to the above question?

Thanks,
Jim 


On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Martin Chapman <martin.chapman@oracle.com> wrote:
But that’s an invalid question if the exit criteria does not apply to the TC.

So I am not sure what you are trying to get at!

 

Martin

 

From: Jim Marino [mailto:jim.marino@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 October 2013 17:34
To: Martin Chapman
Cc: ASHOK MALHOTRA; sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org

Subject: Re: [sca-policy] Re: Question about Exit Criteria raised on Assembly TC call

 

Hi Martin,

 

I don't know whether the Exit Criteria apply to the TC or Specifications itself but that is orthogonal to the question I asked. By "Exit Criteria", I mean what is defined in the Policy TC Charter (https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/sca-policy/charter.php):

 

 

"Exit Criteria

 

The TC shall define concrete exit criteria that include at least two independent offerings that implement and are compliant with the all normative portions of specifications and demonstrate interoperability and portability as appropriate. Note that these are minimums and that the TC is free to set more stringent criteria."

 

So, my question is still the same:

 

Have all of the Exit Criteria for the Policy TC been met? What are the outstanding items that have not been completed in the Policy TC Charter? 

 

Jim

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Martin Chapman <martin.chapman@oracle.com> wrote:

Jim,

 

I believe the exit criteria applies to specifications not to the TC itself.

 

Martin.

 

From: Jim Marino [mailto:jim.marino@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 October 2013 10:55
To: ASHOK MALHOTRA
Cc: sca-policy@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [sca-policy] Re: Question about Exit Criteria raised on Assembly TC call

 

Hi Ashok,

 

As chair of the TC, I think it is important you clarify the status of where we are at since there has been a fair amount of confusion. The question is:

 

Have all of the Exit Criteria for the Policy TC been met? What are the outstanding items that have not been completed in the Policy TC Charter? 

 

This is independent of the status of the Assembly and Bindings TCs. 

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Jim Marino <jim.marino@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry I'm not explaining myself very well. I'll try and re-phrase the question:

 

Have all of the Exit Criteria for the Policy TC been met? What are the outstanding items that have not been completed in the Policy TC Charter? This is independent of Assembly and Bindings. 

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Ashok Malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote:

Jim:
We keep returning to the same issue.
My understanding is that Assembly, Policy and Bindings would
all meet the exit criteria, or not, together, as a bundle.

All the best, Ashok

On 9/27/2013 10:01 AM, Jim Marino wrote:
Thanks Ashok but my question was a slightly different: Has the *SCA Policy TC* met the Exit Criteria? I believe it has. Let me know if that is the official understanding or, if not, why.

 

Regards,

Jim

 

 

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Ashok Malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote:

Jim, it certainly seems that Fabric3 has met the SCA Policy exit criteria.
Dave?

All the best, Ashok

On 9/27/2013 6:33 AM, Jim Marino wrote:
Can one of the two editors please reply to this?

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Jim Marino <jim.marino@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dave and Ashok,

 

A question raised raised on the last Assembly TC call about the status of the Policy TC Exit Criteria and there was some confusion. I think we clarified that the Fabric3 conformance claim was accepted, thereby fulfilling the requirement of two independent SCA implementations:

 

1. The original claim submitted March 6, 2013: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-policy/email/archives/201303/msg00006.html

2. A motion was approved unanimously on April 4, 2014  : https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-policy/email/archives/201304/msg00006.html 

 

So, my question is, am I correct in believing that the Policy TC Exit Criteria have been satisfied?

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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