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Subject: RE: [security-services] counter proposal on contributor/acknowledgement lists...

Personally I don't wish to be listed as a 'Contributor' to a document based
solely on my membership in the TC. It would devalue the efforts of those who
actually did contribute.

Rob's proposal to 'acknowledge' (in a differentiated manner) my membership
seems far more appropriate.

On the other hand, I was an editor of an input Liberty spec and Rob's
proposal would  acknowledge this fact in what seems a fair and appropriate
manner as well.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Kemp [mailto:john.kemp@nokia.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:01 AM
>To: ext Maryann Hondo
>Cc: Philpott, Robert; security-services@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: Re: [security-services] counter proposal on
>contributor/acknowledgement lists...
>Although I agree that we are building a community around a 
>standard, and 
>we should absolutely acknowledge all members of the TC in doing so 
>(which we will do in the 'acknowledgements' section), I believe also 
>that each of the editors would wish to acknowledge those who 
>contributed text and ideas to the documents. People who did 
>not directly 
>edit the documents, but contributed significant pieces of text and/or 
>comments on the text, and I think Rob's proposal nicely credits those 
>people, whilst not diminishing the efforts of TC members.
>- JohnK
>ext Maryann Hondo wrote:
>>I'd like to make a counter proposal.
>>While I agree that the editors should be recognized for their 
>>isn't the goal here to build a community around a standard?
>>why not just simplify and follow what wss did, which was to 
>include all 
>>the others as "contributors".
>>the ietf generally had hundreds of participants where this 
>group is not so 
>>large that it would be prohibitive to include everyone.
>>"Philpott, Robert" <rphilpott@rsasecurity.com>
>>08/17/2004 09:35 AM
>>        To:     <security-services@lists.oasis-open.org>
>>        cc: 
>>        Subject:        [security-services] proposal on 
>>contributor/acknowledgement lists...
>>I have a proposal on what to do with the contributor/acknowledgement 
>>lists? it borrows a bit from the guidelines for IETF RFC?s (see 
>The ?Editors? list should list those people (and their affiliation) that 
>authored MOST of the current document text and physically edited the 
>document drafts.  Roughly analogous to a combining of the RFC ?authors? 
>list and the RFC editor, the list should be quite short (e.g. 5 or fewer).
>The ?Contributors? list should list those ?who deserve significant credit 
>for the [current] document contents?.  I further propose that ?significant 
>credit? be roughly defined as those that made material contribution to the 
>spec; that is, they provided some actual or proposed text (but not to the 
>level of an editor), provided significant editorial review comments, etc. 
>Note that the contribution wouldn?t necessarily have to be written 
>contribution (e.g. they may have proposed some important changes during an 
>official con-call meeting). 
>In general, I think that anyone that personally believes they fall in this 
>contributors? category should probably be listed in this section.  But 
>since I don?t think that someone should be listed if they never really 
>contributed to the list or in meetings, I recommend that the co-chairs and 
>spec editors should make the final call on these marginal contributions. 
>Note that this continues to be a bit subjective, but having a group of 
>arbiters should keep it ?fair?.
>I further propose that the ?Acknowledgements? section at the back of the 
>spec be structured to include subsections listing:
>A subsection listing current voting members of the SSTC
>A subsection for all contributors to previous SAML releases that did not 
>contribute to the current version
>A subsection for any other contributors (e.g. authors of input documents 
>such as the Liberty specs).
>We?ll discuss it on today?s call?
>Rob Philpott
>Senior Consulting Engineer 
>RSA Security Inc. 
>Tel: 781-515-7115 
>Mobile: 617-510-0893 
>Fax: 781-515-7020 

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