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Subject: RE: [chairs] RE: [members] OASIS member review of proposed revision of TC Process


Yes - this seems to address my concerns.  I was rushed when I was
reviewing the material, and didn't look closely enough.  Thanks for
setting me straight.  In the words of SNL's Emily Litella... "never
mind" :-)

Rob Philpott
Senior Consulting Engineer 
RSA Security Inc. 
Tel: 781-515-7115 
Mobile: 617-510-0893 
Fax: 781-515-7020 
mailto:rphilpott@rsasecurity.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:13 AM
> To: Eduardo Gutentag
> Cc: Newcomer, Eric; Philpott, Robert; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org;
> security-services@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [chairs] RE: [members] OASIS member review of proposed
> revision of TC Process
> 
> In rough terms, the new Member category is the same as the current
> Observer: any eligible person can become a Member, and can
participate,
> but has no obligation to participate in order to maintain membership.
> 
> The new Voting Member (or more accurately, a Member with voting
rights)
> is roughly equivalent to today's Member: the person can participate
and
> can vote, and must maintain this status through ongoing participation.
> 
> The new Observer is therefore a new class of member, a true lurker, a
> read-only subscriber to the TC's email list.
> 
> -Karl
> 
> 
> 
> Eduardo Gutentag wrote:
> > Any OASIS member will be able to join a TC.
> >
> > A TC member will have read-write privileges in the list.
> >
> > A TC member can request to become a voting member, in which case,
and in
> > which case only, the TC member will have to meet attendance criteria
in
> > order to continue being a voting member. (IOW, if the attendace
criteria
> > are not met the member reverts to general non-voting status, without
> leaving
> > the TC).
> >
> > All TC members will be subject to the IPR Policy as it applies to
the
> > TC's mode.
> >
> > Any OASIS member can become a TC Observer. Such Observer will have
> > only read privileges, and no obligations under the IPR Policy as it
> > applies to the TC's mode.
> >
> > Because becoming a TC member now has clear IPR implications and
> obligations,
> > it would be a bad idea to convert people automatically from
observers to
> > members. This must be done in a proactive manner, and with the
approval,
> in
> > the case of organizational members, of the organization's
> representative.
> > (In that sense [and in that sense only] this is similar to accepted
> policy
> > in other organizations, e.g. W3C)
> >
> > We really need an FAQ. I thought there was one already out for
review,
> > but obviously I was wrong...
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/12/2004 04:56 PM, Newcomer, Eric wrote:
> >
> >> Eduardo,
> >>
> >> Do you mean that the new process doesn't change the ability of
anyone
> >> to join a TC and participate as a non-voting member?  So the
proposed
> >> change is simply a renaming of the type of member, not the
elimination
> >> of a membership category?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Eduardo Gutentag [mailto:Eduardo.Gutentag@Sun.COM]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:26 PM
> >> To: Philpott, Robert
> >> Cc: karl.best@oasis-open.org; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org;
> >> security-services@lists.oasis-open.org
> >> Subject: Re: [chairs] RE: [members] OASIS member review of proposed
> >> revision of TC Process
> >>
> >>
> >> But Rob, if you read the new process carefully, you will discover
that
> >> you can be a TC member without being a voting member (that is, you
can
> >> be a non-voting TC member without having to meet attendance
criteria),
> >> thus being able to contribute to your heart's content as current
> Observers
> >> do.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/12/2004 03:25 PM, Philpott, Robert wrote:
> >>
> >>> I would like to express serious concerns with the proposed change
to
> the
> >>> TC process that means that TC observers would no longer be able to
> post
> >>> to the TC's mailing list.
> >>>
> >>> From the current process: "An Observer may participate in TC
> discussions
> >>> and post email messages to the TC list, but may not vote and does
not
> >>> need to maintain attendance."
> >>>
> >>> From the proposed process: "Observer" (or "TC Observer") is an
> Eligible
> >>> Person who is subscribed to the TC email list, and may attend TC
> >>> meetings, but is not allowed to participate in TC email list
> >>> discussions, participate or speak in TC meetings, or make
> Contributions
> >>> to the TC. The process for becoming an Observer is defined in the
> >>> section "TC Membership and Participation".
> >>>
> >>> I STRONGLY disagree with making this change.  The SSTC has over
260
> >>> members, of which 40-50 are active voting members.  However, our
TC
> >>> regularly receives valuable input on email discussion topics from
> >>> members that don't have currently active voting status.  These
> postings
> >>> are from folks such as those in other TC's that monitor our list
> because
> >>> those TC's have some dependency on ours. Requiring folks to find
some
> >>> other mechanism to provide their input simply throws up barriers
in
> >>> front of them and will in all likelihood result in us not
receiving
> that
> >>> input at all.
> >>>
> >>> The input from these members is very important to us.  I believe
this
> to
> >>> be a bad change of policy that goes against the open, free
exchange of
> >>> ideas that we rely on.
> >>>
> >>> Rob Philpott
> >>> Senior Consulting Engineer RSA Security Inc. Tel: 781-515-7115
> >>> Mobile: 617-510-0893 Fax: 781-515-7020
> mailto:rphilpott@rsasecurity.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org]
> >>>> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:10 AM
> >>>> To: members
> >>>> Subject: [members] OASIS member review of proposed revision of TC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Process
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> OASIS members:
> >>>>
> >>>> You're aware that the OASIS Board of Directors has been working
on a
> >>>> revision of the OASIS IPR Policy, and you have had an opportunity
to
> >>>> give feedback on that proposed revision.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Board has also been working on a revision of the OASIS TC
> Process,
> >>>> the document that governs the creation and operation of TCs at
OASIS,
> >>>> and the advancement and approval of the work they do. This
revision
> >>>> includes changes suggested by TC chairs, the Technical Advisory
Board
> >>>> (TAB), and other members. It also includes changes required to
> support
> >>>> the new IPR Policy; because these two documents rely on each
other
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> they
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> must be revised, approved, and become effective at the same time.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Board has approved an OASIS member review of the revised
Process;
> >>>> this review will start today and go until 10 November. A draft of
the
> >>>> revised TC Process document approved for member review by the
Board
> is
> >>>> found at
> >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/members-
> >>>> only/download.php/9623/TC%20Process%2020041007.pdf.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> A document summarizing the changes from the current Process is at
> >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/members-
> >>>> only/download.php/9621/Process%20revision%20summary.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>> Please send your comments in regards to these proposed changes to
> >>>> tcproc-member-review@lists.oasis-open.org by 10 November, so that
the
> >>>> Board can consider your comments, make changes to this draft, and
> have
> >>>> the Process document ready to be effective at the same time as
the
> new
> >>>> IPR Policy.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Karl
> >>>>
> >>>> =================================================================
> >>>> Karl F. Best
> >>>> Vice President, OASIS
> >>>> office  +1 978.667.5115 x206     mobile +1 978.761.1648
> >>>> karl.best@oasis-open.org      http://www.oasis-open.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >



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