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Subject: RE: [chairs] RE: [members] OASIS member review of proposed revision of TC Process
Yes - this seems to address my concerns. I was rushed when I was reviewing the material, and didn't look closely enough. Thanks for setting me straight. In the words of SNL's Emily Litella... "never mind" :-) Rob Philpott Senior Consulting Engineer RSA Security Inc. Tel: 781-515-7115 Mobile: 617-510-0893 Fax: 781-515-7020 mailto:rphilpott@rsasecurity.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:13 AM > To: Eduardo Gutentag > Cc: Newcomer, Eric; Philpott, Robert; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org; > security-services@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [chairs] RE: [members] OASIS member review of proposed > revision of TC Process > > In rough terms, the new Member category is the same as the current > Observer: any eligible person can become a Member, and can participate, > but has no obligation to participate in order to maintain membership. > > The new Voting Member (or more accurately, a Member with voting rights) > is roughly equivalent to today's Member: the person can participate and > can vote, and must maintain this status through ongoing participation. > > The new Observer is therefore a new class of member, a true lurker, a > read-only subscriber to the TC's email list. > > -Karl > > > > Eduardo Gutentag wrote: > > Any OASIS member will be able to join a TC. > > > > A TC member will have read-write privileges in the list. > > > > A TC member can request to become a voting member, in which case, and in > > which case only, the TC member will have to meet attendance criteria in > > order to continue being a voting member. (IOW, if the attendace criteria > > are not met the member reverts to general non-voting status, without > leaving > > the TC). > > > > All TC members will be subject to the IPR Policy as it applies to the > > TC's mode. > > > > Any OASIS member can become a TC Observer. Such Observer will have > > only read privileges, and no obligations under the IPR Policy as it > > applies to the TC's mode. > > > > Because becoming a TC member now has clear IPR implications and > obligations, > > it would be a bad idea to convert people automatically from observers to > > members. This must be done in a proactive manner, and with the approval, > in > > the case of organizational members, of the organization's > representative. > > (In that sense [and in that sense only] this is similar to accepted > policy > > in other organizations, e.g. W3C) > > > > We really need an FAQ. I thought there was one already out for review, > > but obviously I was wrong... > > > > > > > > On 10/12/2004 04:56 PM, Newcomer, Eric wrote: > > > >> Eduardo, > >> > >> Do you mean that the new process doesn't change the ability of anyone > >> to join a TC and participate as a non-voting member? So the proposed > >> change is simply a renaming of the type of member, not the elimination > >> of a membership category? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Eric > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Eduardo Gutentag [mailto:Eduardo.Gutentag@Sun.COM] > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:26 PM > >> To: Philpott, Robert > >> Cc: karl.best@oasis-open.org; chairs@lists.oasis-open.org; > >> security-services@lists.oasis-open.org > >> Subject: Re: [chairs] RE: [members] OASIS member review of proposed > >> revision of TC Process > >> > >> > >> But Rob, if you read the new process carefully, you will discover that > >> you can be a TC member without being a voting member (that is, you can > >> be a non-voting TC member without having to meet attendance criteria), > >> thus being able to contribute to your heart's content as current > Observers > >> do. > >> > >> > >> On 10/12/2004 03:25 PM, Philpott, Robert wrote: > >> > >>> I would like to express serious concerns with the proposed change to > the > >>> TC process that means that TC observers would no longer be able to > post > >>> to the TC's mailing list. > >>> > >>> From the current process: "An Observer may participate in TC > discussions > >>> and post email messages to the TC list, but may not vote and does not > >>> need to maintain attendance." > >>> > >>> From the proposed process: "Observer" (or "TC Observer") is an > Eligible > >>> Person who is subscribed to the TC email list, and may attend TC > >>> meetings, but is not allowed to participate in TC email list > >>> discussions, participate or speak in TC meetings, or make > Contributions > >>> to the TC. The process for becoming an Observer is defined in the > >>> section "TC Membership and Participation". > >>> > >>> I STRONGLY disagree with making this change. The SSTC has over 260 > >>> members, of which 40-50 are active voting members. However, our TC > >>> regularly receives valuable input on email discussion topics from > >>> members that don't have currently active voting status. These > postings > >>> are from folks such as those in other TC's that monitor our list > because > >>> those TC's have some dependency on ours. Requiring folks to find some > >>> other mechanism to provide their input simply throws up barriers in > >>> front of them and will in all likelihood result in us not receiving > that > >>> input at all. > >>> > >>> The input from these members is very important to us. I believe this > to > >>> be a bad change of policy that goes against the open, free exchange of > >>> ideas that we rely on. > >>> > >>> Rob Philpott > >>> Senior Consulting Engineer RSA Security Inc. Tel: 781-515-7115 > >>> Mobile: 617-510-0893 Fax: 781-515-7020 > mailto:rphilpott@rsasecurity.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org] > >>>> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:10 AM > >>>> To: members > >>>> Subject: [members] OASIS member review of proposed revision of TC > >>> > >>> > >>> Process > >>> > >>> > >>>> OASIS members: > >>>> > >>>> You're aware that the OASIS Board of Directors has been working on a > >>>> revision of the OASIS IPR Policy, and you have had an opportunity to > >>>> give feedback on that proposed revision. > >>>> > >>>> The Board has also been working on a revision of the OASIS TC > Process, > >>>> the document that governs the creation and operation of TCs at OASIS, > >>>> and the advancement and approval of the work they do. This revision > >>>> includes changes suggested by TC chairs, the Technical Advisory Board > >>>> (TAB), and other members. It also includes changes required to > support > >>>> the new IPR Policy; because these two documents rely on each other > >>> > >>> > >>> they > >>> > >>> > >>>> must be revised, approved, and become effective at the same time. > >>>> > >>>> The Board has approved an OASIS member review of the revised Process; > >>>> this review will start today and go until 10 November. A draft of the > >>>> revised TC Process document approved for member review by the Board > is > >>>> found at > >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/members- > >>>> only/download.php/9623/TC%20Process%2020041007.pdf. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> A document summarizing the changes from the current Process is at > >>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/members- > >>>> only/download.php/9621/Process%20revision%20summary.pdf > >>>> > >>>> Please send your comments in regards to these proposed changes to > >>>> tcproc-member-review@lists.oasis-open.org by 10 November, so that the > >>>> Board can consider your comments, make changes to this draft, and > have > >>>> the Process document ready to be effective at the same time as the > new > >>>> IPR Policy. > >>>> > >>>> -Karl > >>>> > >>>> ================================================================= > >>>> Karl F. Best > >>>> Vice President, OASIS > >>>> office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 > >>>> karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________________________ > >>>> This email list is used solely by OASIS for official consortium > >>>> communications. Opt-out requests may be sent to > >>>> member_services@oasis-open.org, however, all members are strongly > >>>> encouraged to maintain a subscription to this list. > >>> > >> > >> > >
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