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Subject: Resend: ISSUE:[UC-8-0*:Intermediaries*]
Sorry, I accidentally hit some random keys whilst pasting into the message that caused it to be sent. I resend with the actual content I desired. I am baffled that this has not generated more discussion. The role of intermediaries and security on XML Protocol has been going on for months now. I would have liked to see more discussion on our domain model/abstract model on this concept. I show the following links to illustrate XP's discussion of intermediaries as it seems extremely relevent. [1] http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/xp-reqs-05.html#fig1 Requirements doc showing intermediaries [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2001Mar/att-0066/01-01-03-1 3-an_abstract_model_for_intermediaries.html [3] http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/1/02/13-abstract-model/XMLProtocolAM.html shows the XP abstract model. Section 3.3 talks exclusively about intermediaries. There is a good definition of an XP Intermediary in the XP requirements doc, which seems equivalent to a SAML intermediary: XMLP intermediary An XMLP intermediary is both an XMLP receiver and an XMLP sender, target-able from within an XMLP message. It processes a defined set of blocks in an XMLP message along an XMLP message path. It acts in order to forward the XMLP message towards the ultimate XMLP receiver. Some questions I have: What other operations are permitted or not permitted at the intermediary? Can it change the target? What if the message is a SOAP message with Attachments. Can the attachments be changed/added/deleted? In what cases is it not really an intermediary, but really a chain of 2 different SAML requests? My question is at what kind of operations on the request is it no longer considered a modification of a request but a whole new request. 8.4 Seems exactly like this, there is no "Edit" of the SAML request, it's a whole new request. How is an intermediary "targetted" by the sender of the SAML? How is a SAML intermediary different than an XP intermediary? Are we duplicating effort? How are we "distinct"? I have more questions, but I'll stop there as it's late. Cheers, Dave Orchard XML Architect Jamcracker Inc., 19000 Homestead Dr., Cupertino, CA 95014 p: 408.864.5118 m: 604.908.8425 f: 408.725.4310 www.jamcracker.com - Sounds like a job for Jamcracker.
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