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Subject: RE: [fwsi] RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge?
John: That is not a fair statement to make. IBM and Microsoft are just as actively implementing many OASIS standards including SAML, XACML, WS-Security, WS-RX, WS-***... In fact, I find that they have probably adopted a larger than normal share of OASIS standards. Like any other company, they are concentrating on implementations that are relevant to their customers. Duane -----Original Message----- From: John Hardin [mailto:john@maphin.net] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:14 AM To: Jones, Steve G Cc: McGregor.Wesley@tbs-sct.gc.ca; david@drrw.info; fwsi@lists.oasis-open.org; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org; ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org; semantic-ex@lists.oasis-open.org; jamie.clark@oasis-open.org; soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [fwsi] RE: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge? The step that needs to happen, and in short order, is to get developer organizations, inside leading software companies, to enable thier products with the OASIS standards. That is happening slowly, but some of the more prominent names are Adobe, Sun, Oracle, Sybase, Cyclone Commerce, and many others. The major holdouts (IBM and Microsoft) need to come along, IMO. Unfortunately, OASIS doesn't have a marketing arm or business development group that has enough power to affect the development lifecycles for these large software companies. It's my impression that we are creating work that we hope, one day, will be recognized and used widely.... Jones, Steve G wrote: > I think this is however the real opportunity for this group and others > within OASIS. There isn't a real clarity (IMO) from any of the vendors > around business oriented or abstract oriented SOA, its focused around what > their products do today. > > The reason I was interested in bringing Capgemini into OASIS is that this is > great quality work being developed independently of pushing a product. > > In terms of getting the word out, I'm assuming there is a press release > already being prepared, and analysts being briefed, around the release of > the SOA-RM (whenever that happens). As I've said before I think SOA-RM has > created a superb specification, and I've been using it with clients too. > > > There is more than enough weight on these groups to generate a market stir > around a definition of what SOA really is. > > Steve > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: McGregor.Wesley@tbs-sct.gc.ca [mailto:McGregor.Wesley@tbs-sct.gc.ca] >>Sent: 14 November 2005 16:34 >>To: david@drrw.info; fwsi@lists.oasis-open.org; soa-rm@lists.oasis- >>open.org.soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org; ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org; >>semantic-ex@lists.oasis-open.org; jamie.clark@oasis-open.org >>Subject: [soa-rm] RE: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge? >> > > >>Dave, >> > > >>To extend your thoughts even further, a lot of large public and private >>sector concerns I talk to never look at the OASIS work at all. They have >>no idea what goes on here. >> > > >>The problem is some vendors have the wherewithal to push product and >>define interoperability as using their product everywhere! >> > > >>Regards, >> > > >>Wes >> > > >> -----Original Message----- >>From: David Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info] >>Sent: November 8, 2005 7:45 PM >>To: fwsi@lists.oasis-open.org; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org. soa- >>blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org; ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org; semantic- >>ex@lists.oasis-open.org; James Bryce Clark >>Subject: Re: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge? >> > > >>Jamie, >> > > >>The BCM TC has been saying this for two years - and hopefully will have >>the >>OASIS publically approved standard to back it up! >> > > >>And then the XML2004 Interop we did last year showed exactly how to >>achieve >>this using a wide selection of core OASIS-based components. >> > > >>What bothers me is these pundits ability to completely ignore all the >>great >>work OASIS is doing in the field. >> > > >>It's like its almost beneath them to actually go and download the white >>papers and specifications we have and actually take time to read them. >> > > >>Seems like they only want to read glossy sales brochures and attend >>webinar >>product puffs instead... >> > > >>Thanks, DW >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "James Bryce Clark" <jamie.clark@oasis-open.org> >>To: <fwsi@lists.oasis-open.org>; <soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org. >>soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org>; <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>; >><semantic-ex@lists.oasis-open.org> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:00 PM >>Subject: [ebsoa] The real SOA challenge? >> > > > >>> Interesting article from Infoweek on SOA deployment progress: >>> http://www.internetweek.com/173402859 >>> I think their underlying point is excellent: the key gating issue >> >>is >> >>>not the XML tech, but rather, the process change, deployment and finding >>>issues involved in assembling a meaningful set of ambient services that >>>sufficiently compose into useful transactions. that >>> Regards Jamie >>> >>>~ James Bryce Clark >>>~ Director, Standards Development, OASIS >>>~ jamie.clark@oasis-open.org >>> >>> >> > > > > > > This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of the Capgemini Group. 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