In other words has
someone just “right-clicked” on a JavaBean (or C# object) and selected “Create
Web Service” from the menu, or was there actually planning and intent?
I’ve actually seen organisations where just this sort of exercise has been
undertaken creating the thousands of web services problem.
Number is part of the
issue, its indicative of a bad approach when organisations create thousands of
DISTINCT (as opposed to instances) of web services. But the Service should
have a qualitative impact on the “real-world” or provide a useful function (e.g.
mathematical calculation) this stuff is in the SOA-RM as being the basis of
In terms of numbers I’d
say that volume is an important
indicator of bad practice, not a definitive guide but its getting a more and
more common statement “We’ve got hundreds of web services and it hasn’t helped
us at all”. Clearly its possible to have lots of top quality services, in
the same way as in theory its possible for people to write decent multi-threaded
code but in practice both are normally indicators of problems.
From: Ken Laskey
Sent: 25 October 2005 21:47
To: Miko Matsumura
Subject: Re: [soa-blueprints]
The question is less one of number than independence.
Does the original interface (method call) provide a capability that is useful
beyond the object with which it is connected and can it be used without being
part of a sequence with other methods from the same object?
On Oct 25, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Miko Matsumura wrote:
This is a good topic,
thanks for introducing it, Steve.
The number of
services *is* a quantitative measure, but perhaps not a very helpful one?
I'm pretty sure
there's an antipattern here, and I think perhaps there could be some kind of
way to assess this. I think another variable in this mix is the extent to
which the registry repository in question can help with respect to discovery
and classification as well as governance. The thing that worries me is when I
see people assuming that fine grained (object level) services will be reused,
when the reality is that OO didnt generate that much reuse from even the guy
in the next cubicle, let alone across the company or across the
I think this is less
of a gross number of services antipattern so much as a coarse-grained vs
Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:57 PM
I disagree with this
I am not sure that
the number of services is really a quantitative measure of SOA. A grid
computing cluster administrator may be able to rationalize such behavior,
although it may seem absurd in other areas such as Amazon deploying a service
for each book it carries vs. deploying one service that allows the consumer to
parameterize the book title.
Perhaps a better
measure would be the development of some test criteria to ascertain whether a
contemplated service is a good candidate for repurposing beyond a small number
of consumers. This should be based on alignment with LOB and presumably
different implementers will have different criteria for quantifying
From: Miko Matsumura
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:41
Subject: RE: [soa-blueprints]
I just added a
"microservice" antipattern where programmers put 10000000 WSDLs into a
registry just because their IDE lets them do so.
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:54
Subject: RE: [soa-blueprints]
Good idea. I put up
the first drafts of them at: http://blueprints.jot.com/WikiHome/SOA+Anti-Patterns/SOA%20Anti-Patterns
Let me know if I
correctly eloborated and named them for you.
From: Jones, Steve G
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005
The SOA Blueprints will lay down
a “best practice” set of guidelines and templates for delivering SOA.
This will definitely be a positive thing and help expand and firm up
people’s understanding of SOA. One thing that the group states that it
will do is define standards and guidelines, does this mean that allied to
our blueprints we must also consider the “anti-blueprints” (analogous to
anti-patterns) that must be avoided. So for instance focusing on
process over service (bad), only thinking of web services (bad) etc
etc. Defining the blueprints give guidance towards success criteria,
but should we also give guidance on failure criteria for acceptance of a
system as being “SOA”.
Not sure whether this should be
in the TC as its laying down best practice, and not to increase the already
large workload… but it needs to be somewhere.
If you’ve started with an
enterprise “best practice” process map you are NEVER going to be SOA and 90%
probability your system will be inflexible or fail.
Web Service point to point is
STILL point to point, doing a bad practice in XML doesn’t make it
Splitting into two separate
tiers of Service and Process with separate rules and governance results in
Creating “business” services
based on the belief that IT understands the business results in services
that meet neither IT nor business goals
Building your own proprietary
XML-RPC stack to give yourself “control“
The last could still be SOA from
one perspective, but I’ve yet to see it done well when the driver was a
belief that its better done in house than using standards. When we get
the official Wiki it could be something to document via that
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