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Welcome back Steve.
I'll
may help with the DSL, what are your plans for it?
Thanks,
-
Dan
I think NNL sits at a
higher and more abstract level than the SOA Blueprints and normally needs to
be combined with an AIM (Alcohol Ingestion Methodology)
J
On SDM/DSI one thing
that is “interesting” is that it’s starting from the bottom and trying to work
upwards. Its going to be very interesting to see how it climbs up the
stack towards SOA from a product centric approach.
On the DSL element,
I’ll be looking at how to represent the SOA methodology using a DSL in the
next couple of months (anyone want to help?) but I’m not sure how this will
drive Service Orientation throughout DSI, its unclear whether it’s a
generational or decoration model, if it’s the former then I’d be very
sceptical at it succeeding in its aims. I agree entirely at looking at
this in a vendor agonstic fashion and MOST importantly driving from the top
down and STARTING with services rather than retro-fitting them into an
architecture. On element that surprises me with all vendors who claim to
do SOA is that none have a tool suite that starts with
Services.
However… MOTION is
sort of related to this but at the same time not. It’s a Microsoft
Consulting Services offer that is only available if you employ them rather
than being something that Microsoft are rolling into the product
stack.
From: marchadr@wellsfargo.com
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Sent: 02 November 2005 23:59
To: mmatsumura@infravio.com;
marchadr@wellsfargo.com; mike@mw2consulting.com; jharby@gmail.com;
soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [soa-blueprints] Microsoft
Motion Modeling Methodology (M*4?)
What Steve doesn't
have napkins where he is?
I am interested in
Steve presenting NNL (Napkin Notation Language) as
well.
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Subject: RE: [soa-blueprints] Microsoft
Motion Modeling Methodology (M*4?)
Hi Mike and
company,
I'm looking forward
to discussing and resolving the "layers" approach which is implicit in the
MW2 consulting blueprints (distinct from the OASIS blueprint effort, just
sharing the name) and how this can inform the path towards stratifying the
appropriate architectural models, patterns and practices.
I'm also looking
forward to seeing Steve demonstrate his notation and methodology on
Coalogic, although I understand he is travelling and may be unable to draw
for us at the moment.
Best,
Miko
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Subject: RE: [soa-blueprints] Microsoft
Motion Modeling Methodology (M*4?)
This is a very
interesting evolution in our direction.
When I get time
next week I will toss more things on the wiki helping to flush out the
Coalogic example in this way.
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From:
Morris, Michael [mailto:mike@mw2consulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005
12:41 PM
To:
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Subject: RE: [soa-blueprints]
Microsoft Motion Modeling Methodology (M*4?)
There are some very interesting approaches that
Microsoft is taking across the stack here. They are really pushing
their System Definition Model as a part of their DSI strategy to model
(hardware, applications, IT web services, etc) from the infrastructure
domain.
Granted, you have to use all Microsoft tools (eg.
Visual Studio 2005, Virtual Server 2005, etc) but they do provide a DSL
builder to allow others to create tools that generate models that can be
leveraged in other modeling environments.
I'd like to see if we may want to take a vendor
agnostic modeling approach with the SOA Blueprint:
* Start with the business problem and
define it
* lets model a business problem
utilizing a set of business tools - use CapGemini's contribution and put
this metadata in a model.
* Then can we find the right DSLs
(they don't have to be Microsoft) that produce artifacts for every "layer"
of the architecture that we can tie together in a reference solution model
to solve that particular business problem.
* We can utilize a semantic
integration approach to tie together multiple models
* Package this as a best practice
approach to the industry
just an idea on an approach...
Thoughts?
Mike
From: marchadr@wellsfargo.com
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Subject: RE: [soa-blueprints]
Microsoft Motion Modeling Methodology (M*4?)
Here is more food
for thought:
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Harby [mailto:jharby@gmail.com]
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10:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [soa-blueprints]
Microsoft Motion Modeling Methodology (M*4?)
Hasn't Rational XDE been covering that
one?
[Marchant, Dan
R.] Yes but it doesn't have microsoft's plan for world domination
in mind. Starbucks and Microsoft should probably merge at some
point.
On 11/2/05, Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com>
wrote:
This is old news. Visio has been
doing UML models since they bought it.
The concept of linking that to
a .NET IDE is cool IMO.
Duane
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Subject:
RE: [soa-blueprints] Microsoft Motion Modeling
Methodology
(M*4?)
I believe that you may be very close based
on what I have seen.
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Subject: RE: [soa-blueprints] Microsoft Motion Modeling
Methodology
(M*4?)
I believe this is the major tool initiative
they are working on for the
end of the year or q1 next year
release.
Think of RUP with a microsoft toolset and microsoft
framework applied to
it.
That is basically what they are
looking at doing I believe.
But I can neither confirm or deny
this :)
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From: Miko Matsumura
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To: Duane Nickull
Cc: soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject:
RE: [soa-blueprints] Microsoft Motion Modeling Methodology
(M*4?)
Anyone have any insights on this?
http://weblogs.asp.net/omagnusson/archive/2005/07/28/420856.aspx
Microsoft
Motion Business Modeling Methodology
At the Tech Ed 2005 Europe
Architecture pre-con Beat Schegler and
Arvindra Sehmi talked about a
methodology framework that MCS have been
working on called Motion
which is supposed to be:
"The Motion Methodology uses the concept
of Business Capabilities to
model a business. A Capability describes
the what, not the how. A
Capabilities Model abstracts structural
information (capabilities and
connections) separately from dynamic
information (processes)"
Motion decomposes the whole business
into capabilities on many levels of
granularity ( level 1-3), where
level 1 represents core business
capabilities (eg. Warehousing),
level 2 represents capability groups
(eg. Manage Products/Orders) and
level 3 represent the business
capabilities (order products, track
etc. ). Each business capability
then has 80 attributes which
describe it, such as who owns it, input and
outputs, best practices
and exceptions.
On top of this we then layer our business
processes. which manage and
orchestrate messages going between these
business capabilities.
The Framework is supposed to come with a
complete set of deliverables
templates and tasks and a unique "go in,
go up, go out" approach to
modeling these business capabilities and
processes, FAQs, case studies
and the while shebang.
When
goggling around for this, I've not been able to come up with
anything
so far. Are there any news on this, when this will be released
and to
whom ? Will it be publicly available like MSF or only to partners
?
I can see the tooling for this going hand in hand with DSL
tools in the
future.
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