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Subject: RE: [soa-blueprints] To Proceed - Best Practices
I wouldn't say that this will be our first deliverable, but I certainly be would in favor of creating more structure around the adoption blueprints. One option which I think might work well is to use the Genrico or SOALogic blueprint and from that start to create the rest of the framework, which we can use for subsequent blueprints.
Theo
From: Reza Shafii [ mailto:rshafii@bea.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 15:23
To: Beack, Theo; John Harby; soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org; miko@infravio.com; flinn@alum.mit.edu; marchadr@wellsfargo.com; Jones, Steve G
Subject: RE: [soa-blueprints] To Proceed - Best Practices
Theo,
Should our first deliverable then be a “Blueprint Adoption Standard Guideline”? Containing templates, notation, classification, etc…? I can see a significant amount of effort required for this work alone.
Cheers,
Reza
From: Beack, Theo [ mailto:Theo.Beack@softwareagusa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:03 PM
To: Reza Shafii; John Harby; soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org; miko@infravio.com; flinn@alum.mit.edu; marchadr@wellsfargo.com; Jones, Steve G
Subject: RE: [soa-blueprints] To Proceed - Best Practices
Reza,
I think during yesterday's call and the resulting conversations on the list we are exploring several different topics, which I think is related to your comments below. I agree that we should have some standard guidelines (+ templates, classification system, etc.) which we use for the creation of the adoption blueprints.
However, I do not think we need a repository of SOA best practices in order to create blueprints. In fact I think that the reverse might be true. Best practices might start to surface out of the details of the Adoption blueprints (and resulting real-world implementations).
It is my experience that many best practices would be implementation specific, with resulting code, models, technology related implementation information, etc. As an example you could have a best practice of how to secure Web Services within an app server such as WebLogic. Such a best practice would be very specific to a certain vendor product and implementation, which wouldn't fit into the charter of the TC. At the same time it might be difficult to replicate or reuse the same best practice within another implementation where a different app server is being used.
I can also describe various other examples of quite generic best practices that are removed from physical implementation, but before exploring these in more detail we should consider the question; what is a best practice? Before we can decide whether to include best practices into the TC's work we need to define best practice, the role it will play, relationship with adoption blueprints, how it will be used and of what value it is to the larger SOA community.
Theo
From: Reza Shafii [ mailto:rshafii@bea.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 13:47
To: John Harby; soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org; Beack, Theo; miko@infravio.com; flinn@alum.mit.edu; marchadr@wellsfargo.com; Jones, Steve G
Subject: RE: [soa-blueprints] To Proceed - Best Practices
Shouldn’t a blueprint creation guideline that gives us a common methodology/notation, classification, and a repository of best practices (some of which could be just pointers to existing best practices) precede the creation of individual blueprints?
Reza
From: John Harby [ mailto:jharby@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:06 PM
To: soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-blueprints] To Proceed - Best Practices
I would be in favor of a repository of best practices that are not necessarily tied to a single blueprint but can certainly reference one or more blueprints.
On 1/24/06, Beack, Theo < Theo.Beack@softwareagusa.com> wrote:
If we decide to include best practices under the general Adoption Blueprint "umbrella", it would be helpful to understand the relationship between the blueprint and associated best practices. Immediate questions I have is whether we will create "one off" best practices related to a specific blueprint or whether we would try to make them generic enough to be used within other blueprints. If that is the case, do the best practices deserve to stand on their own and should we create a classes of best practices that can be reused within Adoption Blueprints (or even separately).
Theo
From: John Harby [ mailto:jharby@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:38
To: soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-blueprints] To Proceed - Best Practices
Possibly although I think there are loopholes within the charter that would allow us to specify best practices. Firstly, the Generico blueprint has some treatment of best practices therefore inclusion and advancement of those is included by this statement:
- Circulate, improve, maintain and standardize the existing "Generico" blueprint to be contributed, in the form of a basic Adoption Blueprint.
On 1/24/06, Beack, Theo < Theo.Beack@softwareagusa.com> wrote:
Don,
I'm not convinced that we agreed on the role or place for best practices
as part of the Blueprints TC. I reviewed the charter of this TC
( http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/soa-blueprints/charter.php) and it
made no mention of best practices. Not that I think it is a bad idea.
The notion of creating best practices could be of value.
However, we need to determine whether this TC will focus it's efforts on
only creating SOA blueprints (+ anti-patterns) or whether best practices
will be included in these efforts.
I think one of the dangers of trying to focus our efforts on best
practices, is that we might enlarge the scope to the extent that it will
be difficult to focus and get some real blueprint work done. It is
definitely a topic worth discussing.
Regards
Theo
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Flinn [mailto: flinn@alum.mit.edu]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 13:57
To: marchadr@wellsfargo.com
Cc: soa-blueprints@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-blueprints] To Proceed
Agreed.
In addition, I believe that one of the goals that was agreed upon is
developing best practices, BP. These could be partitioned into the
following categories:
- General BP, which would be applicable to all domains
- Domain Specific BP, where the domains might be:
- Financial
- Manufacturing
- Retail
- Professional services
- Business services (not SOA services)
- Media & Marketing
- Education
- Government
Each of these could be further subdivided, but too fine a subdivision,
IMHO, is not in the spirit of a specification. If we could come up with
best practices at this level we would deliver information that would be
useful to a broad category of people. We could point out significant
exceptions or additions for subcategories of the chosen domains.
Although the primary effort would be to generalize the BP as much as
feasible while still making them useful.
Don
On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 11:49 -0600, marchadr@wellsfargo.com wrote:
> To All,
>
> Here is what I gather from the group as a whole:
>
> 1. Need a context on what we are doing.
> - 2 cents: A problem statement would be a great start with
audience, etc...
>
> 2. Need to defining use cases to provide context on the blueprints
defined
> - 2 cents: establish a use case document that can be expand on
> this and may have domain related spin offs
>
> 3. Need to establish what a blueprint is.
>
> I think everyone should start adding to this list and adding opinions,
etc...
>
> This may help to create a bit of focus or strategy.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
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