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Subject: RE: [soa-rm-editors] RE: [soa-rm] 08 draft publicly available
Aw shucks, I'm blushin'... -----Original Message----- From: Matt MacKenzie [mailto:mattm@adobe.com] Sent: 16 September 2005 16:10 To: peter@justbrown.net; Duane Nickull; soa-rm-editors Subject: RE: [soa-rm-editors] RE: [soa-rm] 08 draft publicly available Peter, I am integrating your edits now, and they are great. I think it is such a good idea to have someone add polish to the text as a orthogonal activity to raising content issues. Regards, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Peter F Brown [mailto:peter@justbrown.net] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:07 AM To: Matt MacKenzie; Duane Nickull; 'soa-rm-editors' Subject: RE: [soa-rm-editors] RE: [soa-rm] 08 draft publicly available Matt: I use the whole Acrobat suite with my book editors too, and it's great... when someone else is incorporating the edits! I'm just an impatient guy who likes to see straight up how it's looking and that is exactly *not* my job here ;-) Hope the content is OK, that's what counts... Have a good day over there Peter -----Original Message----- From: Matt MacKenzie [mailto:mattm@adobe.com] Sent: 16 September 2005 15:43 To: peter@justbrown.net; Duane Nickull; soa-rm-editors Subject: [soa-rm-editors] RE: [soa-rm] 08 draft publicly available Peter, Thanks. The edit indications have turned out exactly the way I envisioned, and will be relatively easy to integrate. I'm sorry that the Acrobat experience is not to your liking, but please realize that the whole Word experience is kind of stinky to Frank and I -- ideally we would be doing it in FrameMaker or Docbook. Many professional editors at various magazines, newspapers and publishers use the Acrobat/PDF technology for review excercises like this and they love it. -Matt -----Original Message----- From: Peter F Brown [mailto:peter@justbrown.net] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:24 AM To: Matt MacKenzie; Duane Nickull; 'soa-rm-editors' Subject: RE: [soa-rm] 08 draft publicly available As promised, I've done an extensive proof read from beginning through to line 519. A few comments: - Acrobat is not a word-processor, sorry guys but it doesn't cut the mustard for clear and detailed editing, even if I respect that Matt needs to retail referential integrity over the version. So the document might look a bit messy in places and difficult to read; - There are a few sticky note comments on a small number of phrases that I don't understand and may, thus, not be understood by a wider audience: Frank, in particular, take a butcher's; - Although there are still a couple of things I personally disagree with, I've tried not to change the sense of any part, at least not intentionally ;-) - I've completely reworded Ken's electricity utility example in 2.2.2.5: it's such a good analogy, I've proposed a re-wording that hopefully gets it across well: there is a sting in the tail, with the addition at the end of the paragraph when stating that hardwiring would be a different service - I go out on a limb by adding that "this would not be an SOA" - shoot me as appropriate. I will try to find time to do lines 520 to 692, but can't promise when - so if anyone else wants a bash...and, Prasanta: get well soon... Peter -----Original Message----- From: Matt MacKenzie [mailto:mattm@adobe.com] Sent: 15 September 2005 01:56 To: Duane Nickull; Brown, Al; Ken Laskey; SOA-RM Subject: RE: [soa-rm] 08 draft publicly available Who is the proofreading team? They are a set of volunteers who signed up for this task at or around the last f2f. There are only a few of them, and that's all we really need. These individuals include Michael Stiefel, Al Brown and ?... (I forget the rest. You know who you are!) Q&A ---- 1. Q: I'm not on the proofreading team. Should I wait to submit issues? A: No. Please submit your issues against 08, just don't submit grammar and spelling issues. The proofreading team's goal is to cut down the obvious, non-contentious stuff. 2. Q: Why is the proofreading team proofreading during general TC review, instead of prior to? A: This has happened because we, mostly me, were too busy to remember to do it the right way ;-) Uhh, sorry :-) 3. Q: So I believe I am a proofreader. How do I make my comments? A: The attached document has been "reader enabled", which means commenting features within Acrobat Reader software which are normally only available to Acrobat Standard/Professional users will be enabled for this document. Just use the commenting tools (notes, text replacement, strike out, etc.), save the document with your comments, and... 4. Q: Who do I send my commented document to? A: Send it to mattm@adobe, who will handle whatever else needs to happen. 5. Q: Hey, this Adobe commenting / reader enablement stuff is cool. Do you have server products that I can buy that would allow me to do interesting things with those features? A: Yes, ask me for details :-) Ok, that's an obvious plug, I hope you can forgive me! -Matt Please use the Acrobat commenting features to indicate text changes that are not substantial, e.g. grammar, spelling, voice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_voice), etc. -----Original Message----- From: Duane Nickull Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:28 PM To: Matt MacKenzie; Brown, Al; Ken Laskey; SOA-RM Subject: RE: [soa-rm] 08 draft publicly available Should the proof readers use the commenting template or just use sticky notes? Duane -----Original Message----- From: Matt MacKenzie [mailto:mattm@adobe.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:42 PM To: Brown, Al; Ken Laskey; SOA-RM Subject: RE: [soa-rm] 08 draft publicly available Oops. We forgot about the proof readers. Yes, if you guys can give a run through looking for grammatical stuff and send comments directly to myself or Frank, we will incorporate those changes and rev the draft outside of the issues process. -matt -----Original Message----- From: Brown, Al [mailto:abrown@filenet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 5:12 PM To: Ken Laskey; SOA-RM Subject: RE: [soa-rm] 08 draft publicly available Hi. I have not checked out this draft yet, so I apologize if this is already covered there. On this draft, when will it enter the proof-reading phase? Do you still need proof-readers? And lastly, when will we be able to open issues against it? Regards, -Al -----Original Message----- From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:09 PM To: SOA-RM Subject: RE: [soa-rm] 08 draft publicly available Sorry for the fuss. I probably have several people I should send copies to. Ken At 04:39 PM 9/13/2005, Duane Nickull wrote: >Oui Monsieur! > >It is written that it is an editors draft. Actual mileage may vary. > >Duane > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com] >Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:53 AM >To: SOA-RM >Subject: RE: [soa-rm] 08 draft publicly available > >My understanding is that all drafts are supposed to be publicly >available, per OASIS policy. But Duane and/or Jamie can confirm for us. > >Joe > >Joseph Chiusano >Booz Allen Hamilton >O: 703-902-6923 >C: 202-251-0731 >Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:17 PM > > To: SOA-RM > > Subject: [soa-rm] 08 draft publicly available > > > > Someone sent me the following > > > > Reference Model for Service Oriented Architectures. > > by > > OASIS SOA Reference Model TC, Working Draft 08 > > > > This Service Oriented Architecture Reference Model is an abstract > > framework for understanding significant entities and relationships > > amongst them within a service-oriented environment, and for the > > development of consistent standards or specifications supporting > > that environment. It is based on unifying concepts of SOA and may be > > used by architects developing specific services oriented > > architectures or for education and explaining SOA. A reference model > > is not directly tied to any standards, technologies or other > > concrete implementation details, but it does seek to provide a > > common semantics that can be used unambiguously across and between > > different implementations. > > http://xml.coverpages.org/soa.html#SOA-RM-WD08 > > http://xml.coverpages.org/SOA-RM-WD08.pdf > > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/soa-rm/ > > > > where the pdf link is our 08 draft. I was under the impression that > > we were not supposed to be handing out draft that were not intended > > for public review. Am I mistaken? > > > > Ken > > > > -- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------- > > / Ken > > Laskey > > \ > > | MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 | > > | 7515 Colshire Drive fax: > > 703-983-1379 | > > \ McLean VA 22102-7508 > > / > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------- > > > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- / Ken Laskey \ | MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 | | 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 | \ McLean VA 22102-7508 / ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------
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