Re: [soa-rm-ra] Burton Group SOA-RA

[Frank McCabe <frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com>]

I think that if the Burton group decided to join the TC then that  
would solve all the issues:

1. Anyone joining the group has to sign on the IPR of the group
2. Anyone, including current members of the group, has their own  
perspective. It is up the collective gestalt to decide what to do  
with an individual member's contribution.
3. If Burton did decide to join the group, we would welcome their  
input and experience in designing reference architectures.

On the other hand, I can see all kinds of problems in inviting people  
to make contributions without their joining the group. The most  
compelling issue for me is having to deal with one-off IPR issues: I  
am not a lawyer and I cannot afford to hire one.

Frank

On Apr 12, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Peter F Brown wrote:

> Ken:
> I know you meant no disrespect and I was only commenting on the  
> opportunity
> or not to bring her stuff in, as a possible valuable contribution,  
> and if
> so, how...
>
> Take care,
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
> Sent: 12 April 2006 03:13
> To: peter@justbrown.net
> Cc: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Burton Group SOA-RA
>
> First, let me say I meant no disrespect to Anne.  We have not met  
> and I do
> not have any reason to doubt her integrity, nor would I argue that we
> shouldn't consider the extensive thought she has already given to  
> these
> matters.  But the remark was meant to be taken more generally and I  
> see the
> potential for a very real conflict of interest brewing.  I would  
> not want to
> put anyone, especially someone with an impeccable reputation, in a  
> situation
> where there can be any questions now or later.  And, unfortunately,  
> there
> are adequate examples of less well-intentioned contributors;  thus,  
> the
> great pain many organizations have and will undergo to develop patent
> policies.
>
> I believe the TC needs to consider the work of others and should, if
> possible, get clarifications and evolving thoughts from those  
> authors, but I
> would be careful who was crafting the final words for the TC or how  
> they
> played in the final deliberations.
>
> Ken
>
> On Apr 11, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Peter F Brown wrote:
>
>
> 	I know Anne, and met up with her in Boston last year in the early
> days of
> 	our TC taking shape: I would say, sure, she may have a pitch
> regarding
> 	SOA-RA but I consider her intellectual input to be very highly
> valuable and
> 	she is certainly open-minded.
>
> 	My "problem" is rather with being too free with someone else's IPR,
> in this
> 	case Burton Group as much as Anne's. I'd be happy to talk to her to
> see
> 	whether she and the Burton Group would be willing to provide the
> papers to
> 	the SC list (we often have companies providing input and even
> software to
> 	OASIS TCs, so there's no new ground to cover there...)
>
> 	Peter
>
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
> 	Sent: 11 April 2006 19:39
> 	To: Jeffrey A Estefan
> 	Cc: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> 	Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Burton Group SOA-RA
>
> 	My only concern in having someone like this be a TC member is they
> have an
> 	answer to sell and I'm not sure it would be easy to build a solution
> that
> 	didn't align with that answer.  I am certainly interested in work
> others
> 	have done and other perspective, but anyone coming to this TC has to
> have an
> 	open mind on what the answer can be.
>
> 	Ken
>
> 	On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Jeffrey A Estefan wrote:
>
>
>
> 	
> 	
>
> 	Joe and the RA team,
>
> 	
> 	
>
> 	We too our Burton Group members and during a recent hosting of FFRDC
> 	EA and CIO face-to-face meeting here at the Lab in January, Anne
> Thomas
> 	Manes gave an introductory briefing on SOA.  She did not go into
> detail
> 	about Burton's SOA-RA but rather gave a general briefing about SOA
> as
> 	"something you do, not something you buy or build."  Here briefing
> was very
> 	rudimentary so I don't think it would have value to the team to
> upload it
> 	and I would probably have to obtain permission to do so anyway.  The
> Burton
> 	SOA-RA does, however, have value and we would be wise to do due
> diligence on
> 	the their RA in terms of its organization and content for relevance
> to our
> 	work.
>
> 	
> 	
>
> 	So do we try and get somebody like Ms. Manes to join the SOA-RM TC
> 	and hence SOA-RA SC?  (And if so, it looks like Burton would have to
> become
> 	an OASIS member.)  This might be a challenge given that as most
> analyst
> 	organizations like Burton, Gartner, Forrester, etc. charge a fee for
> these
> 	type of consulting services.  In fact, I don't see any of the
> analyst
> 	organizations I just mentioned as OASIS members.
>
> 	
> 	
>
> 	Thoughts??
>
> 	
> 	
>
> 	- Jeff
>
>
>
> 	---
> 	Ken Laskey
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