I think that if the Burton group decided to join the TC then that would solve all the issues:
1. Anyone joining the group has to sign on the IPR of the group
2. Anyone, including current members of the group, has their own perspective. It is up the collective gestalt to decide what to do with an individual member's contribution.
3. If Burton did decide to join the group, we would welcome their input and experience in designing reference architectures.
On the other hand, I can see all kinds of problems in inviting people to make contributions without their joining the group. The most compelling issue for me is having to deal with one-off IPR issues: I am not a lawyer and I cannot afford to hire one.
Ken:
I know you meant no disrespect and I was only commenting on the opportunity
or not to bring her stuff in, as a possible valuable contribution, and if
so, how...
Take care,
Peter
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 12 April 2006 03:13
Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Burton Group SOA-RA
First, let me say I meant no disrespect to Anne. We have not met and I do
not have any reason to doubt her integrity, nor would I argue that we
shouldn't consider the extensive thought she has already given to these
matters. But the remark was meant to be taken more generally and I see the
potential for a very real conflict of interest brewing. I would not want to
put anyone, especially someone with an impeccable reputation, in a situation
where there can be any questions now or later. And, unfortunately, there
are adequate examples of less well-intentioned contributors; thus, the
great pain many organizations have and will undergo to develop patent
policies.
I believe the TC needs to consider the work of others and should, if
possible, get clarifications and evolving thoughts from those authors, but I
would be careful who was crafting the final words for the TC or how they
played in the final deliberations.
Ken
On Apr 11, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Peter F Brown wrote:
I know Anne, and met up with her in Boston last year in the early
days of
our TC taking shape: I would say, sure, she may have a pitch
regarding
SOA-RA but I consider her intellectual input to be very highly
valuable and
she is certainly open-minded.
My "problem" is rather with being too free with someone else's IPR,
in this
case Burton Group as much as Anne's. I'd be happy to talk to her to
see
whether she and the Burton Group would be willing to provide the
papers to
the SC list (we often have companies providing input and even
software to
OASIS TCs, so there's no new ground to cover there...)
Peter
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 11 April 2006 19:39
To: Jeffrey A Estefan
Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Burton Group SOA-RA
My only concern in having someone like this be a TC member is they
have an
answer to sell and I'm not sure it would be easy to build a solution
that
didn't align with that answer. I am certainly interested in work
others
have done and other perspective, but anyone coming to this TC has to
have an
open mind on what the answer can be.
Ken
On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Jeffrey A Estefan wrote:
Joe and the RA team,
We too our Burton Group members and during a recent hosting of FFRDC
EA and CIO face-to-face meeting here at the Lab in January, Anne
Thomas
Manes gave an introductory briefing on SOA. She did not go into
detail
about Burton's SOA-RA but rather gave a general briefing about SOA
as
"something you do, not something you buy or build." Here briefing
was very
rudimentary so I don't think it would have value to the team to
upload it
and I would probably have to obtain permission to do so anyway. The
Burton
SOA-RA does, however, have value and we would be wise to do due
diligence on
the their RA in terms of its organization and content for relevance
to our
work.
So do we try and get somebody like Ms. Manes to join the SOA-RM TC
and hence SOA-RA SC? (And if so, it looks like Burton would have to
become
an OASIS member.) This might be a challenge given that as most
analyst
organizations like Burton, Gartner, Forrester, etc. charge a fee for
these
type of consulting services. In fact, I don't see any of the
analyst
organizations I just mentioned as OASIS members.
Thoughts??
- Jeff
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Ken Laskey
MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934
7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379
McLean VA 22102-7508