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Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] random question


Other potential types of services are Infrastructure Services, Utility Services, Function Services (still fuzzy on the name - meaning fine-grained bits of functionality such as a single calculation), and Presentation Services. Application Services can also cover those types of services that are "in between" Function Services and Process Services - i.e. more coarse-grained than Function Services, but not as complex as Process Services (and also not business process definitions, as Process Services are). An example of an Application Service could be a service that provides a loan amortization schedule for a loan, invoking one or more Function Services for fine-grained units of functionality.
 
Just thinking out loud...
 
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From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:29 AM
To: Ken Laskey
Cc: Michael Stiefel; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] random question

Not types of service providers; service providers that provide certain types of services (e.g. data service provider = service provider of data services).
 
Joe
 

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From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:49 AM
To: Chiusano Joseph
Cc: Michael Stiefel; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] random question

Joe,

But I'm not sure "types" of service providers is relevant.  I look at a service description, decide if the real world effects are what I want (and whether the rest of the execution context stuff can be aligned), and then I proceed with the interaction.  If I ask for information, I don't know (unless I have a business reason for this to be part of my rationale for which service to use) if it is "data" from a database, results from a simulation, or Mechanical Turk.

Ken

On Aug 24, 2006, at 6:33 AM, Chiusano Joseph wrote:

I think it's a question of service providers, but more specifically of what *types* of services. So there can be data service providers, perhaps process service providers (e.g. BPEL-based processes), and perhaps even application service providers in a different sense than the traditional ASP (perhaps service-based applications).
 
Joe


From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
Sent: Wed 8/23/2006 10:19 PM
To: Michael Stiefel
Cc: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] random question

Michael,

My question is whether there are providers in the SOA sense for something other than services.  For example, one could say there are data providers but wouldn't they have their data sources accessed using services?  Does that apply to all providing stakeholders?

Ken

On Aug 23, 2006, at 6:58 PM, Michael Stiefel wrote:

Aren't users of the services stakeholders?

Aren't manufacturers of equipment stakeholders?

Is the government that collects a tax or regulates a stakeholder?

Aren't the "victims" we discussed at the F2F stakeholders as well?


Michael



At 05:57 PM 8/23/2006, Ken Laskey wrote:
Can we have stakeholders who are providers or maintainers of something other than services?  Or, do we assume by the nature of SOA that if you provide something other than a service, that something is a capability that must have a service access, so you always end up a service provider?

Ken


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