Re: [soa-rm-ra] random question & Point of Action

[Michael Stiefel <development@reliablesoftware.com>]

While I want to think about this a little more, I agree with what you are 
saying. It also makes the concept of "point of action" a little clearer.

Michael

At 10:20 AM 8/24/2006, Danny Thornton wrote:
>I agree that analyzing real world effects is
>beneficial in drawing boundary lines for your stake
>holders. It is also beneficial to analyze points of
>action for those real world effects.  However, this
>changes my initial view of a SOA point of action being
>an instance of a service involved in an interaction
>that results in a change to shared state.  For
>example, the point of action could be some
>environmental effect.
>
>Danny
>
>
>--- Michael Stiefel <development@reliablesoftware.com>
>wrote:
>
> > Fair enough, but that is a different question than
> > the one that you asked.
> >
> > I think there will be capability providers that are
> > hidden behind the
> > service abstraction. If you have a capability to
> > deliver books, there could
> > be a leasing company that provides you trucks.
> >
> > How different are they than the service providers
> > hidden behind an
> > orchestration or choreography?
> >
> > The answer, I think, is that in any concrete
> > architecture your analysis
> > will tell you how narrowly or broadly you have to
> > draw your boundaries. The
> > key is to analyze what the "real world effects" are.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > At 10:19 PM 8/23/2006, Ken Laskey wrote:
> > >Michael,
> > >
> > >My question is whether there are providers in the
> > SOA sense for something
> > >other than services.  For example, one could say
> > there are data providers
> > >but wouldn't they have their data sources accessed
> > using services?  Does
> > >that apply to all providing stakeholders?
> > >
> > >Ken
> > >
> > >On Aug 23, 2006, at 6:58 PM, Michael Stiefel wrote:
> > >
> > >>Aren't users of the services stakeholders?
> > >>
> > >>Aren't manufacturers of equipment stakeholders?
> > >>
> > >>Is the government that collects a tax or regulates
> > a stakeholder?
> > >>
> > >>Aren't the "victims" we discussed at the F2F
> > stakeholders as well?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Michael
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>At 05:57 PM 8/23/2006, Ken Laskey wrote:
> > >>>Can we have stakeholders who are providers or
> > maintainers of something
> > >>>other than services?  Or, do we assume by the
> > nature of SOA that if you
> > >>>provide something other than a service, that
> > something is a capability
> > >>>that must have a service access, so you always
> > end up a service provider?
> > >>>
> > >>>Ken
> > >>>
> > >>>
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