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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] stakeholders summary

I think we have to beware the "everything is a service" trap.

When I talked about service hosts I meant the entity responsible for  
ensuring that a service is made available, which can be different to  
the entity responsible for the service itself. The service host may  
be invisible to a service consumer, but is still a stakeholder in the  

Similarly, a service that offers mediation may well be a service.  
However, it has a stake in a different service: the ones that it is  
capable of mediating.


On Aug 24, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Ken Laskey wrote:

> Frank,
> Your additions could be characterized as infrastructure.  Is this  
> in scope for the RA?
> Besides that mediation and discovery will be accessed as services.   
> Other than noting some services can be considered vital  
> infrastructure, aren't they just services?  Does the provider or  
> consumer of discovery really differ from the provider or consumer  
> of weather?
> Ken
> On Aug 24, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Francis McCabe wrote:
>> +1
>> And good for Reston!
>> I think that the judge had it wrong. Even if the trees had no  
>> legal standing, people do. And the loss of trees can result in a  
>> loss to people in the neighborhood. I suspect that that ruling  
>> would not survive an appeal.
>> BTW: I am not a lawyer, so the above is just an opinion...
>> I think that you need to expand the scope of stakeholders a little:
>> -- service hosts
>> -- service mediators (brokers, etc.)
>> -- service discovery agencies
>> Frank
>> On Aug 24, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Ken Laskey wrote:
>>> From the ftf, we had
>>> - direct participants
>>>   -- providers
>>>   -- consumers
>>> - regulatory authorities
>>> - non-participants (innocent bystanders/"victims")
>>> My initial question to the list was whether the direct  
>>> participants were *service* providers and *service* consumers or  
>>> whether there were other providers (and by extension, other  
>>> consumers and participants).
>>> From the discussion so far, I would say the ftf list covers the  
>>> territory and the direct participants are indeed always dealing  
>>> with services.  However, the non-participants can include anyone  
>>> (and possibly anything) else, and their identification is context  
>>> dependent.
>>> An anecdote that has some relevance:
>>> Last week a judge ruled against a neighborhood group who was  
>>> trying to block construction of the new Yankee Stadium.  The  
>>> neighborhood group said the loss of the nearby park and trees  
>>> would have a devastating effects on the community.  The judge  
>>> ruled that the trees had no legal standing.  My daughter's  
>>> immediate response was, "They do in Reston!"  Now I live in  
>>> Reston, one of the original planned communities, and here you  
>>> have to make sure your basketball backboards are the right  
>>> color.  Notwithstanding those philosophical battles, one of the  
>>> differences in development in Reston is they generally try to  
>>> save the existing trees rather than clear cutting and just  
>>> plowing everything under.  The result is actually quite nice.  In  
>>> any case, context will often define the most relevant (for  
>>> modeling purposes) non-participatory stakeholders.
>>> Ken
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> ----------------------
>>> Ken Laskey
>>> MITRE Corporation, M/S H305     phone:  703-983-7934
>>> 7515 Colshire Drive                        fax:        703-983-1379
>>> McLean VA 22102-7508
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --------------------
> Ken Laskey
> MITRE Corporation, M/S H305     phone:  703-983-7934
> 7515 Colshire Drive                        fax:        703-983-1379
> McLean VA 22102-7508

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