If we are being random, a NOP service wouldn’t
use data. But I’m not quite sure what the real world effect would
be either. But I’m not sure that we need to worry about service
provider types either because the consumer doesn’t care as long as it
meets the contract.
Steve
From:
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Sent: 24 August 2006 17:26
To: Chiusano Joseph; Ken Laskey
Cc: Michael Stiefel;
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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] random
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Is there any service that does not use data?
D
On 8/24/06 6:29 AM, "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
wrote:
Not types of service providers;
service providers that provide certain types of services (e.g. data service
provider = service provider of data services).
Joe
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From: Ken Laskey
[mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006
8:49 AM
To: Chiusano Joseph
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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] random
question
Joe,
But I'm not sure "types" of service providers is relevant. I
look at a service description, decide if the real world effects are what I want
(and whether the rest of the execution context stuff can be aligned), and then
I proceed with the interaction. If I ask for information, I don't know
(unless I have a business reason for this to be part of my rationale for which
service to use) if it is "data" from a database, results from a
simulation, or Mechanical Turk.
Ken
On Aug 24, 2006, at 6:33 AM, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
I think it's a question of service providers, but more
specifically of what *types* of services. So there can be data service
providers, perhaps process service providers (e.g. BPEL-based processes),
and perhaps even application service providers in a different sense than
the traditional ASP (perhaps service-based applications).
Joe
From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
Sent: Wed 8/23/2006 10:19 PM
To: Michael Stiefel
Cc: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra]
random question
Michael,
My question is whether there are providers in the SOA sense for something
other than services. For example, one could say there are data
providers but wouldn't they have their data sources accessed using
services? Does that apply to all providing stakeholders?
Ken
On Aug 23, 2006, at 6:58 PM, Michael Stiefel wrote:
Aren't users of the services stakeholders?
Aren't manufacturers of equipment stakeholders?
Is the government that collects a tax or regulates a stakeholder?
Aren't the "victims" we discussed at the F2F stakeholders as
well?
Michael
At 05:57 PM 8/23/2006, Ken Laskey wrote:
Can we have stakeholders who are providers or maintainers of something
other than services? Or, do we assume by the nature of SOA that if
you provide something other than a service, that something is a
capability that must have a service access, so you always end up a
service provider?
Ken
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