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Subject: Fw: Commercial/Real-world Semantic Web Services?
Team, Passing this along as an FYI since we're about to embark on the Service Description model. - J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Xuan Shi" <Xuan.Shi@mail.wvu.edu> To: "Minsu Jang" <minsu.jang@gmail.com>; "Ed Addison" <ed@teradisc.org> Cc: <public-rif-wg@w3.org>; <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>; <public-sws-ig@w3.org> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Commercial/Real-world Semantic Web Services? > > I agree, semantic Web services (SWS) and this IG have nothing to boast, > as I indicated in > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sws-ig/2006Sep/0018.html > > By examining W3C documentation "Web Services Architecture" again @ > http://www.w3.org/TR/ws-arch/ we can see why SWS failed and had > little accomplishment and progress in the past years. > > How to realize and implement (semantic) Web services? W3C said clearly: > "the requester and provider entities must agree on the semantics and the > service description that will govern the interaction between the > requester and provider agents, but it would be more accurate to say that > they simply need to have a congruent or non-conflicting view of the > semantics and service description of the interaction." > > (Semantic) Web Services Architecture has to be based on "agreement" - > if anyone in this SWS-IG would like to read this document again, just > count the number of the repeated word "agree" used in this W3C > document. > > However, the leading roles of this IG believed that NOBODY wants to > agree with each other, as every developer or service provider has the > absolute right to do what s/he wants to do. For this reason, they have > to use varied kind of logical modeling to guess which one might be > similar to the others, by referencing each individual annotated semantic > definition to a super-ontology. > > Unfortunately, ontology, again by definition, is a shared, common > conceptualization of a domain knowledge (or again a kind of > agreement/standard). Then we see, those who CANNOT reach an "agreement" > have to "share" a super-ontology. This means, after turning around and > around through modeling, we return to the starting point - we have to > "agree" something first. But the problem is, referencing to a > super-ontology promotes the dissemination of individual "semantic" > definition on varied service and interface, and this means such people > just do NOT use that "shared" ontology of a domain of the service. > > Why people do NOT use that "shared" super-ontology of a domain of the > service, in case there is such a super-ontology? Because they thought > standard/agreement-based SWS "takes all the fun out of it", although > they knew "That's certainly true" - "given enough clear information > about web services", we can write any desired program for interacting > with web services, because we reach an agreement first, then those > artificially designed "agents" know what and how to do with little fun. > > Regards, > > Xuan > > >>>> "Ed Addison" <ed@teradisc.org> 10/9/2006 1:13 PM >>> > I would suggest that those commercial applications that use semantic > web, or > semantic web-like technology would not necessarily advertise that > that's > what they are doing. The semantic web is a tool, not a product or > market. > SInce the semantic web is in its infancy, commercial applications that > do > use semantic web technology most likely use a significantly scoped > down > subset of it. The semantic web is more likely to slowly infiltrate > various > information products and web services rather than suddenly get > commercial > adoption. Might be tough to find or even classify the cases for your > study. Good luck. > > > > On 10/8/06, Minsu Jang <minsu.jang@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Deal all, >> >> I'm doing a case study on commercial or real-world semantic web > services. >> I've done a significant amount of searches on google, but could not > find >> any evidence of semantic web services deployed for real-world > services. >> Could anybody shed some light on me of where the semantic web > services >> in the real world is going? Any URLs or references would be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> Best Regards, >> zebehn >> >> PS: i'm sorry for cross-posting. >> > > > > -- > > Ed Addison > 910-616-7327 > > .......Think Big !! >
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