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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] governance musings over the weekend
> ... is a local governance incomplete without
> consideration of the goals of all the
> participants in its social context?
I see good and evil as a measure of the positive and
negative effects on human emotion. In the near
future, I don't think computers will measure the
positive/negative effects of governance policies on a
collection of human emotions within a society. Human
oversight is required for the consideration of the
goals of all the participants in a social context with
regards to good and bad intentions.
Danny
--- Don Flinn <flinn@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> Ken
>
> Relative to Michael's first question: While crossing
> ownership domains
> is of concern in all governance models, I believe
> that it comes more to
> the fore in SOA.
>
> Second item - Before Friday, I hadn't contemplated
> your example of
> governance for entities with evil goals. However,
> after a some thought,
> I agree that governance is about satisfying the
> goals of the
> participants, whether the goals are good or bad for
> society. (How good
> is defined is a philosophical question left for
> Plato and others to
> struggled with.) However, since the Commons is one
> of the participants
> (an interested party) the example of governance
> related to an evil-doer
> entity brings up a question. Is governance just in
> the eye of the
> beholder (e.g. the corporation) or does it have to
> satisfy the complete
> social context? Or stated another way, is a local
> governance incomplete
> without consideration of the goals of all the
> participants in its social
> context?
>
> Don
>
> Ken Laskey wrote:
> > see inline
> >
> > On Sep 10, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Poulin, Michael
> wrote:
> >
> >> Here a couple of other questions coming from the
> looking at the diagram:
> >> 1) what I special in this governance model for
> the service
> >> orientation or why is it good especially
> for SOA?
> >
> > There is an attempt to show a level of
> independence between the
> > Participants and the Decision Makers. In general,
> I think this exist
> > in all governance scenarios but is ignored because
> governance bodies
> > would prefer to be all-powerful over their
> perceived domain.
> >
> >> 2) what "Policies, Rules, and Regulations" are
> meant here - any ones,
> >> run-time and/or development ones?
> >
> > In general, any ones. Is there a reason at the
> model level to
> > separate build time from runtime? There may be
> benefits for managing
> > the instances but I don't see differences at the
> model level.
> >
> >> 3) should the governance model in SOA RA promote
> the best practices
> >> in SOA governance (if YES, what are they and how
> are they reflected
> >> in here)?
> >
> > It does to a certain extent just on the basis of
> what is included and
> > how it weaves together. The model should support
> practices that are
> > more locally specific and support local
> management.
> >
> >> I know, asking questions is much easier than
> answering them,
> >> nevertheless...
> >
> > If you don't ask, someone else will :-)
> >
> >>
> >> - Michael
> >> /_ _/
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> >> *From:* Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
> >> *Sent:* 10 September 2007 14:49
> >> *To:* soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> >> <mailto:soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >> *Subject:* [soa-rm-ra] governance musings
> over the weekend
> >>
> >> Another tweak to the governance model, this
> time adding a class
> >> for Metrics Collection and new relationships.
> >>
> >> <governance 20070910.png>
> >>
> >> Given a model of Governance, the next
> question on my mind is how
> >> does it affect architecture. Some thoughts
> along those lines:
> >>
> >> Architecture implications
> >> - need mechanisms to create and catalog
> Policies, Rules, and
> >> Regulation
> >> - need reliable access to specifics of
> current Governance
> >> Framework and Governance Processes
> >> - need mechanisms to collect metrics
> >> - need mechanisms for Participants to access
> metrics
> >> - need enforcement mechanisms for Management
> Body
> >>
> >> Assumptions
> >> - You cannot govern what you cannot measure
> >> - You cannot govern what does not agree to be
> governed
> >> - expectations on what can and will be
> governed must match the
> >> reality of what is possible and what is the
> collective will to
> >> see done
> >>
> >> - need to manage (including configuration
> management and CRUD
> >> processes)Governance Framework and Governance
> Processes,Policies,
> >> Rules, and Regulations but not Goals
> >>
> >> - I don't care where the Goals originated
> beyond saying they come
> >> from Participants
> >> - I don't care if they are "good" Goals or
> "bad" Goals because it
> >> is up to Governance to come up with the set
> that serves those who
> >> want to remain Participants, and the SOA
> machinery should be
> >> agnostic to the quality of the Goals or the
> make-up of the
> >> Participants
> >> - There may be many parallel or interacting
> Governance
> >> environment with which a given Participant
> must interact.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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