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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] what is a generalized SOA RA?


Ken:
  Except that the wording you proposed would have directly replicated  
existing wording and made for redundancy.

  Personally, I think we need to move on.
Frank


On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Ken Laskey wrote:

> Danny,
>
> Following Jeff's point, we need to see where the proposed words fit  
> in the Intro.  When I originated the draft, I intended for it to be  
> part of a new section 1.x entitled "What is This RA" that sat  
> between 1.1 and 1.2.  I didn't intend to alter (modulo other  
> comments) the section 1.1 words on reference architecture.
>
> In the previous email thread with Jeff, I realized the RM wording  
> was unintentionally sloppy and suggested the TOGAF reference as a  
> way to "clarify" the RM definition.  Jeff responded that he only  
> supplied that for an example, and thought 1.1 was sufficient.  I'm  
> willing to go with that being my intent was not the redefinition of  
> reference architecture but a statement about the problem being  
> solved by our RA.  So I am more interested in 1.x and not in  
> rewriting 1.1.
>
> This thread began 11/10/2007 and isn't very long, so a quick review  
> might help all.
>
> Ken
>
> On Dec 21, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Danny Thornton wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> Didn't you propose the TOGAF reference?
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I think Jeff and I are both opposed to stating a
>> Reference Archicture is a design pattern because we
>> both see the use of design pattern in this context as
>> an incorrect statement.
>>
>> Here are the proposed starts for the Reference
>> Architecture section:
>>
>> Existing 0.2 draft version:
>> A reference architecture models the abstract
>> architectural elements in the domain independent of
>> the technologies, protocols, and products that are
>> used to implement the domain.  It differs from a
>> Reference Model in that a Reference Model describes
>> the important concepts and relationships in the domain
>> focusing on what distinguishes the elements of the
>> domain; a Rreference Architecture elaborates further
>> on the model to show a more complete picture that
>> includes showing what is involved in realizing the
>> modeled entities.
>>
>> Frank's revised definition based on several RA
>> comittee emails and conversations:
>> The SOA Reference Model defines reference architecture
>> as “an  architectural design pattern that indicates
>> how an abstract set of mechanisms and relationships
>> realizes a predetermined set of requirements.” More
>> precisely, a reference architecture can be described
>> as an architectural pattern that provides a set of
>> predefined subsystems, specifies their
>> responsibilities, and includes rules and guidelines
>> for organizing the relationships between them [TOGAF
>> v8.1].
>>
>> An explanation of an RA from Jeff but not intended to
>> be the definition in the RA document (Subject Re:
>> [soa-rm-ra] what is a generalized SOA RA?, Mon, 12 Nov
>> 2007):
>> In a nutshell, a reference architecture is a reusable
>> asset whose purpose is to form a starting point for
>> architectural development.  It can take many forms,
>> including architectural patterns (note I did not use
>> the term 'architectural design' pattern),
>> architectural best practices, architectural
>> principles, architectural frameworks, etc., and,
>> unlike our SOA-RA effort, reference architectures are
>> typically proven in use.
>>
>> Some suggestins from Duane:
>> A reference architecture is a generalized view of an
>> purposeful architecture that may be specialized for
>> one or more domains of application.  As such, a RA
>> often specifies the major components of a system or
>> systems, their externally visible properties and the
>> relationships amongst them in a manner abstract of
>> domain, technologies or specifics that would
>> constraint the RA from being applicable to the widest
>> possible scope of use.
>>
>>
>> --- "Jeffrey A. Estefan"
>> <jeffrey.a.estefan@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> Frank,
>>>
>>> As I stated before, I object strongly to this new
>>> wordy addition.  And what
>>> section?  Are you talking about section 1.1?
>>>
>>> What was wrong with our opening paragraph of section
>>> 1.1?  I thought
>>> everybody agreed it was a reasonable defn of a
>>> reference architecture (in
>>> the general sense) and its relationship to a
>>> reference model.
>>>
>>> By all means, please DROP "design" from
>>> "architectural design pattern."
>>> There are architectural patterns and design
>>> patterns; not architectural
>>> design patterns.  But again, I don't see the value
>>> here.
>>>
>>> I'd like to see any proposed addition or new
>>> subsection in context with the
>>> rest of Section 1  (Introduction) before passing any
>>> final judgments.  It's
>>> not clear to me what is being dropped and what is
>>> being added.
>>>
>>> Could you send the latest draft of the proposed
>>> completed Section 1?
>>>
>>> Thanks...
>>>
>>>  - Jeff E.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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