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Subject: Fwd: [guinea pig] July 24 notes on Interaction, Action Model, and (Service) Action
--Apple-Mail-169-275151247 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I asked Danny to be a guinea = pig before I sent this to the list because I wasn't sure it would be = understandable. Danny is either exceptionally perceptive, the = notes make sense, or both. Thus, I have a 2 out of 3 chance this = will be informative to the whole list.<div><br></div><div>If there are = major problems, Jeff will be happy to answer all questions = ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Ken<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded = message:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" = size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><b>From: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">"Danny Thornton" <<a = href=3D"mailto:danny.thornton@scalablearchitectures.com";>danny.thornton@sc= alablearchitectures.com</a>></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px = Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" = size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">July 24, 2008 6:17:55 PM = EDT</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" = size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">"Ken Laskey" <<a = href=3D"mailto:klaskey@mitre.org";>klaskey@mitre.org</a>></font></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Cc: </b></font><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">"Jeffrey = A. Estefan" <<a = href=3D"mailto:jeffrey.a.estefan@jpl.nasa.gov";>jeffrey.a.estefan@jpl.nasa.= gov</a>></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" = size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" = style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>RE: [guinea pig] July 24 notes on = Interaction, Action Model, and (Service) Action</b></font></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </div><!-- = wmLetter_head_start --> <table align=3D"center" style=3D"empty-cells: = show;" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" = cellspacing=3D"0" width=3D"100%"><tbody><tr><td style=3D"vertical-align: = top;"><div style=3D"padding: 5px"><!-- wmLetter_head_end = --><div><div>What you've described makes sense to me. In the = realization view we can discuss interaction via messages, but we should = not limit the discussion to just messages in the ecosystem = view. My understanding of your summary below supports = the ecosystem layer of participant/communicative exchange(action) = down to the realization layer of service/message exchange.</div> = <div> </div> <div>While the layered approach eliminates the = confusion of an agent versus a participant, I think it will be = confusing to start adding agent to the realization/owning section = diagrams. I still agree with Ken that we should have a = section that comments on the assumption of the use of agents = in the diagrams. Unless someone can demonstrate how that can be = done succesfully without causing confusion.</div> <div> </div> = <div>Danny Thornton</div><p><br><br> </p><blockquote = style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px = solid" webmail=3D"1">-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: = [guinea pig] July 24 notes on Interaction, Action Model, = and<br>(Service) Action<br>From: Ken Laskey <<a = href=3D"mailto:klaskey@mitre.org";>klaskey@mitre.org</a>><br>Date: Thu, = July 24, 2008 2:59 pm<br>To: Danny Thornton <<a = href=3D"mailto:danny.thornton@scalablearchitectures.com";>danny.thornton@sc= alablearchitectures.com</a>><br>Cc: "Jeffrey A. Estefan" <<a = href=3D"mailto:jeffrey.a.estefan@jpl.nasa";>jeffrey.a.estefan@jpl.nasa</a>.= gov><br><br> <div>Danny, </div> <div><br></div> <div>You may be = wondering about the subject line. The following are notes I made = during a discussion Jeff and I had today. Jeff suggested I = distribute to the group but before I do that I wanted to check if it at = all comprehensible by someone who was not part of the discussion. = So before I raise a firestorm of misunderstanding, I'd like you to = see if it makes some sense to you.</div> <div><br></div> = <div>Thanks,</div> <div><br></div> <div>Ken</div> <div><br></div> = <div><notes></div> <div>At Frank level (Service Ecosystem View), = Joint Action between Participants.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Realizing = SOA View is more mechanical --> interacting with services, not between = Participants</div> <div><br></div> <div>Need relationship between Joint = Action and Interaction at Participant level and then at the Service = level</div> <div><br></div> <div>Services are Agents, not = Participants</div> <div><br></div> <div>Both Agents and Participants = capable of Actions, whether or not we define these as subtypes of = Actor</div> <div><br></div> <div>Can we keep things to the Participant = level and the Service level?</div> <div><br></div> <div>Jeff: = Interaction is realized by message exchange</div> <div><br></div>=46rom = RM: Interaction as one or more message exchanges, each conforming to = MEPs as described in service description <div><br></div> <div>=46rom = RM: <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Interacting with a service involves performing = actions against the service.</span></div> <div><br></div> <div>Ignoring = Joint Action for the moment. For RA, at service level, interaction is = set of message exchanges. </div> <div><br></div> <div>Agreed: = Interaction realized by (process of) message exchange AND composed of = individual message exchanges (that may conform to different MEPs).</div> = <div><br></div> <div>Still question of unnamed bucket that contains more = than one interaction and some private actions towards realizing = RWE.</div> <div><br></div> <div>RM: <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The <b = style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">action</b> <b = style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">model</b> of a service is the = characterization of the actions that may be invoked against the = service.</span></div> <div><br></div> <div>Action in Action Model aligns = with WSDL operation. Action is what we want service to do and = message is the means by which I tell service to do it. The act of = sending a message is part of interaction. Frank: sending message = is Action. </div> <div>Jeff: qualify as Service Action? <span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10px"><font = class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"3"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px">as all the actions (both public and private) = that a service performs to achieve a RWE. The public service = actions correspond to the permissible actions a service can perform, = i.e., service action exposed by the service and that comprise = the Action Model.</span></font><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"> </span></span></div> <div><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10px"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px">Ken: not sure but = not drop dead.</span></span></div> <div><br></div> <div>Still open is = Joint Action. Jeff: that at Participant level. 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