RE: OASIS-Open Group SOA Activity

["Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>]

+1 to everything Jamie said :-) 

Mary

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Bryce Clark [mailto:jamie.clark@oasis-open.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:39 PM
> To: Chris Harding; Duane Nickull
> Cc: Heather Kreger; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org; soa-
> sc@opengroup.org; a.brown@opengroup.org; Mary McRae; 'Laurent Liscia'
> Subject: Re: OASIS-Open Group SOA Activity
> 
> Hello all. Mary McRae succeeded me as primary TC rules guru, so I've
> also copied her here. There are a couple of ways for you to proceed.
> 
> (The underlying issue is that official OASIS TC business meetings
> should only be attended by TC members, because those who participate
> are making potential IPR contributions to the committee's work, and
> so must be subject to the licensing and related duties created by
> our IPR policy. So a nonmember of OASIS is not eligible; OASIS
> members who attend an OASIS TC in which they are *not* themselves a
> committee member can observe, but aren't permitted to participate
> actively.)
> 
> But there's still a way to do this. Several, actually. We like it
> when groups talk to each other and collaborate :)
> 
> In the short term, I suggest that the OASIS TC create a session next
> to, but not part of, its upcoming TC face-to-face, in which its
> members can exchange views with the Open Group SOA team. As long as
> there's a clear delineation between that session, and the TC's
> official meeting, I'd guess this will not be a rules problem for
> OASIS. Mary's copied here and this is her domain.
> 
> Second, under our Liaison Policy:
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/liaison_policy.php#tcliaison
> we do permit OASIS TCs to create direct liaisons; and there are
> provisions for handling this using various classes of OASIS
> membership. Persons designated as liaisons really ought to have
> eligibility under both orgs, so that they effectively can transmit
> data, as appropriate, back and forth. I encourage the SOA-RM TC to
> look into identifying and appointing someone for that role.
> 
> Finally, it sounds like the OASIS folks also would have the
> opportunity to attend the February 2009 Open Group event. I've
> attended several TOG events, representing OASIS; they've always been
> productive and enjoyably educational presentations.
> 
> The whole project of reconciling, mapping and sharing models here
> sounds like a great, positive development. Kudos to you all for
> putting energy into it. If this leads either to significant updates
> to the OASIS work, or possible formal contributions of work between
> the two orgs, please let staff here know, so that we can support it
> properly. Warm regards Jamie
> 
> ~ James Bryce Clark
> ~ Director of Standards Development, OASIS
> ~ http://www.oasis-open.org/who/staff.php#clark
> 
> > Subject: 	Re: OASIS-Open Group SOA Activity
> > Date: 	Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:10:14 +0000
> > From: 	Chris Harding <c.harding@opengroup.org>
> > To: 	Chris Harding <c.harding@opengroup.org>, James Bryce Clark
> > <jamie.clark@oasis-open.org>, Heather Kreger <kreger@us.ibm.com>
> > CC: 	<soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org>, <soa-sc@opengroup.org>,
> > <a.brown@opengroup.org>
> >
> > I plan to be there as at least an observer.  If we can get the go
> ahead
> > from everyone, I would like to get involved at a deeper level.  Can
> you
> > please send me the exact details for the face to face?
> >
> >> Jamie, Chris:
> >> Today during the OASIS SOA RM RA SC call, IBM came and we
> >> discussed reconciling the disparate activities WRT SOA.  IMHO,
> >> this meeting was extremely beneficial and there are a few items
> >> we wish to pursue.
> >> One of these is to have Open Group invited to a future face to
> >> face meeting to discuss alignment, reconciliation,
> >> harmonization and or potentially convergence for an SOA
> >> Reference Architecture document. In order to do this, the Open
> >> Group would need to be present during our next F2F meeting.  We
> >> wish to ask you if there are any reasons why we as a TC cannot
> >> pursue this or, in the alternative, do we require some higher
> agreement
> >> between the two parent organizations?
> >> We are also planning on a mapping of major concepts in
> >> documents and potentially harmonizing terminology where
> >> applicable for the benefit of the industry at whole.
> >> Duane
> >
> >  Hello, Duane -
> >  Thanks for your e-mail!
> >  The Open Group sees harmonization of SOA concepts as very important.
> >  As you know, we are planning a meeting on this topic at our San
> >  Diego conference in the week of February 2, and hope to see
> >  representation there from OASIS and from the OMG. This will be an
> >  excellent opportunity to establish a common position.
> >  Meanwhile, I see no problem in principle from an Open Group
> >  perspective with our participation in an OASIS meeting. Practical
> >  issues may of course need to be resolved, and we would need to
> >  establish who would attend on behalf of The Open Group. Can you tell
> >  us, please, where and when your next face-to-face meeting is?