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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] RE: [offlist] Public Review of Reference Ontologyfor Semantic SOA v1.0



You know that I do agree with Peter.

The question is: how we plan to respond - as a STC or individually?

- Michael


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter F Brown" <peter@pensive.eu>
> To: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>, "Mike Poulin" <mpoulin@usa.com>, "Jeffrey A. Estefan" <jeffrey.a.estefan@jpl.nasa.gov>
> Cc: "SOA RA" <soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Subject: [soa-rm-ra] RE: [offlist] Public Review of Reference Ontology for Semantic SOA v1.0
> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:07:25 +0100
> 
> I'll give my €0.02, FWIW
> The institute in Innsbruck has had its own axe to grind for several 
> years and is trying to corner a market for their brand of semantic 
> web technologies based on some "standards" they have developed 
> around WSMO: "not invented here" is not a mantra with these guys, 
> it's party policy - FUD and marginalise anything else. You'll 
> notice that the schema they submit is in WSML, not any "open" 
> schema language - probably grounds alone for voting the proposal 
> down.
> 
> Mike is right that they are WS-only but, in their opinion "pure" WS 
> (their brand of course).
> 
> They don't even see the irony in naming the standard "semantic SOA" 
> - WTF is SOA if it isn't about semantics and semantic engagement? 
> D'oh....
> 
> I would have no qualms about the SOA RM or RA TCs coming out 
> publicly against endorsement - we did a lot of work to cut the crap 
> and hype around "SOA == WS" and we shouldn't remain silent if that 
> is being undermined by a half-witted effort that, even if not taken 
> seriously, will just add more FUD...
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:05 PM
> To: Mike Poulin; Jeffrey A. Estefan; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [soa-rm-ra] FW: [members] Public Review of 
> Reference Ontology for Semantic SOA v1.0
> 
> One of their guys came to an architects summit in Zurich.  He was 
> really old school and did not seem to understand anything newer 
> than Pascal.
> 
> D
> 
> 
> On 10/12/08 3:08 AM, "Mike Poulin" <mpoulin@usa.com> wrote:
> 
> Terrible!
> 
> There are none SOA expert in the Committee; there is no 
> understanding of SOA Service based on SOA RM/RA - only Web 
> Services; SOA is interpreted as "a computer architecture that 
> allows for scalable and controlled Enterprise Application 
> Integration solutions" which has as little to do with RM/RA as a 
> brook with an ocean.
> 
> Were anybody of you contacted by Semantic Technology Institute 
> Innsbruck ever? Do they know about our existence?
> 
> I can go and try to find some rational seeds in the draft but its 
> basis is fundamentally wrong to my opinion, it is not a SOA 
> semantics but Web Service and Web Semantics. Any considerations?
> 
> - Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Estefan, Jeff A" <jeffrey.a.estefan@jpl.nasa.gov>
> > To: "soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org" <soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > Subject: [soa-rm-ra] FW: [members] Public Review of Reference 
> > Ontology for Semantic SOA v1.0
> > Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:13:46 -0800
> > 
> > 
> > How 'bout that folks!
> > 
> > Now your chance to weigh in on the public review.
> > 
> > Cheers...
> > 
> >   - jae
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mary McRae
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:54 PM
> > To: members@lists.oasis-open.org; tc-announce@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: [members] Public Review of Reference Ontology for Semantic SOA v1.0
> > 
> > To OASIS members, Public Announce Lists:
> > 
> > The OASIS Semantic Execution Environment TC has recently approved the
> > following specification as a Committee Draft and approved the package for
> > public review:
> > 
> > Reference Ontology for Semantic Service Oriented Architectures Version 1.0
> > 
> > The public review starts today, 9 December 2008, and ends 7 February 2009.
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