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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] RE: [offlist] Public Review of Reference Ontology for Semantic SOA v1.0
Let me repeat that the OASIS comment procedure is abysmal and goes too far into turning any TC into a private club with an OASIS letterhead. Ken On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Mary McRae wrote: > Hi all, > > FYI, unless one is a *member* of the TC, the *only* way you can > respond is via the comment list, which requires subscription and > agreement of the IPR feedback license. That said, the TC could reach > out to the Semantic Execution TC and request to establish a liaison > relationship (a member of this TC would join the other and hopefully > vice versa). > > Mary > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter F Brown [mailto:peter@pensive.eu] >> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:57 AM >> To: Mike Poulin >> Cc: SOA RA >> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] RE: [offlist] Public Review of Reference >> Ontology for Semantic SOA v1.0 >> >> Indeed, how to respond is the main question >> >> Tactically, I think replying just in the name of the SAO-RM/RA TC >> will >> put is a pigeon-hole of whining "they would say that wouldn't they" >> even if the concerns we raise are legit. >> >> I think a few well aimed kicks from some of the bigger kickers would >> have more impact - for the record, our company will lodge a negative >> vote with comments - the schema being in WSML and the statement in >> the >> proposed spec. that "only WSML" can deliver the "really machine >> processable" semantic SOA, must be challenged - it's both wrong and, >> even if cortrest, would smack of vendor lock-in if promoted by anyone >> other than a research institute (albeit a very "profitable" one) >> >> Best regards, >> >> Peter >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Poulin [mailto:mpoulin@usa.com] >> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:50 PM >> To: SOA RA >> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [soa-rm-ra] RE: [offlist] Public Review of >> Reference Ontology for Semantic SOA v1.0 >> >> >> You know that I do agree with Peter. >> >> The question is: how we plan to respond - as a STC or individually? >> >> - Michael >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peter F Brown" <peter@pensive.eu> >>> To: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com>, "Mike Poulin" >> <mpoulin@usa.com>, "Jeffrey A. Estefan" >> <jeffrey.a.estefan@jpl.nasa.gov> >>> Cc: "SOA RA" <soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org> >>> Subject: [soa-rm-ra] RE: [offlist] Public Review of Reference >> Ontology for Semantic SOA v1.0 >>> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:07:25 +0100 >>> >>> I'll give my €0.02, FWIW >>> The institute in Innsbruck has had its own axe to grind for several >>> years and is trying to corner a market for their brand of semantic >>> web technologies based on some "standards" they have developed >>> around WSMO: "not invented here" is not a mantra with these guys, >>> it's party policy - FUD and marginalise anything else. You'll >>> notice that the schema they submit is in WSML, not any "open" >>> schema language - probably grounds alone for voting the proposal >>> down. >>> >>> Mike is right that they are WS-only but, in their opinion "pure" WS >>> (their brand of course). >>> >>> They don't even see the irony in naming the standard "semantic SOA" >>> - WTF is SOA if it isn't about semantics and semantic engagement? >>> D'oh.... >>> >>> I would have no qualms about the SOA RM or RA TCs coming out >>> publicly against endorsement - we did a lot of work to cut the crap >>> and hype around "SOA == WS" and we shouldn't remain silent if that >>> is being undermined by a half-witted effort that, even if not taken >>> seriously, will just add more FUD... >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:05 PM >>> To: Mike Poulin; Jeffrey A. Estefan; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org >>> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [soa-rm-ra] FW: [members] Public Review of >>> Reference Ontology for Semantic SOA v1.0 >>> >>> One of their guys came to an architects summit in Zurich. He was >>> really old school and did not seem to understand anything newer >>> than Pascal. >>> >>> D >>> >>> >>> On 10/12/08 3:08 AM, "Mike Poulin" <mpoulin@usa.com> wrote: >>> >>> Terrible! >>> >>> There are none SOA expert in the Committee; there is no >>> understanding of SOA Service based on SOA RM/RA - only Web >>> Services; SOA is interpreted as "a computer architecture that >>> allows for scalable and controlled Enterprise Application >>> Integration solutions" which has as little to do with RM/RA as a >>> brook with an ocean. >>> >>> Were anybody of you contacted by Semantic Technology Institute >>> Innsbruck ever? Do they know about our existence? >>> >>> I can go and try to find some rational seeds in the draft but its >>> basis is fundamentally wrong to my opinion, it is not a SOA >>> semantics but Web Service and Web Semantics. Any considerations? >>> >>> - Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Estefan, Jeff A" <jeffrey.a.estefan@jpl.nasa.gov> >>>> To: "soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org" <soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis- >> open.org> >>>> Subject: [soa-rm-ra] FW: [members] Public Review of Reference >>>> Ontology for Semantic SOA v1.0 >>>> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:13:46 -0800 >>>> >>>> >>>> How 'bout that folks! >>>> >>>> Now your chance to weigh in on the public review. >>>> >>>> Cheers... >>>> >>>> - jae >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Mary McRae [mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mary >> McRae >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:54 PM >>>> To: members@lists.oasis-open.org; tc-announce@lists.oasis-open.org >>>> Subject: [members] Public Review of Reference Ontology for Semantic >> SOA v1.0 >>>> >>>> To OASIS members, Public Announce Lists: >>>> >>>> The OASIS Semantic Execution Environment TC has recently approved >> the >>>> following specification as a Committee Draft and approved the >> package for >>>> public review: >>>> >>>> Reference Ontology for Semantic Service Oriented Architectures >> Version 1.0 >>>> >>>> The public review starts today, 9 December 2008, and ends 7 >> February 2009. >>>> This is an open invitation to comment. We strongly encourage >> feedback from >>>> potential users, developers and others, whether OASIS members or >> not, for >>>> the sake of improving the interoperability and quality of OASIS >> work. 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