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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] my voiceover for trust slide 13
--Apple-Mail-36--1009015363 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-35--1009015944 --Apple-Mail-35--1009015944 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The way that we ended up discussing this was that there seemed to be two distinct modes in which 'intent' is 'transmitted' to a third party: ambassador mode and facilitator mode. In ambassador mode, the middle party's responsibility is limited to one of communication: ensuring that the intent of Participant 1 is faithfully communicated to P3. In such a scenario it is not even necessary for P2 to be aware of P1's intentions: its expression may be encrypted for example. In facilitator mode, P2 adopts the goal for itself and communicates with P3 as needed in order to achieve the adopted goal. In this case, clearly, P2 must 'understand' in the intent in order to be able to adopt it. In addition, the interaction between P2 and P3 need not be directly about P1's intent but some derived portion of it. Frank On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Ken Laskey wrote: > While I don't disagree with the text on the slide, I would emphasize > the following: > > Each participant in an ownership domain has goals, objectives, > responsibilities, and constraints that are shaped by that domain. > When a participant in ownership domain 1 interacts with a particpant > in ownership domain 2, the participant in 1 conveys the intent that > motivates the interaction. The particpant in ownership domain 2 > needs sufficient semantic engagement to understand the intent of > participant 1. Also, the participants need (to a varying extent) to > be able to establish the identity of the other particpant. > Participant 2, upon receiving and, to some extent, understanding the > intent of participant 1, creates his own intent that (1) reflects > what was received and understood from participant 1 and (2) what can/ > should be done within the goals, objectives, responsibilities, and > constraints of ownership domain 2. The alignment of the intents of > the participants depends on the other items that went into forming > the intent. Trust on the part of participant 1 for participant 2 is > that participant 2 will do things that result in the intent of > participant 1 being satisfied. The accountability on the part of > participant 2 will determine whether the trust of participant 1 was > met, not met, or possibly exceeeded. The assessment of > accountability will likely affect trust in the future. > > The diagram also shows a similar interaction between participants in > ownership domains 2 and 3. The interesting case is when this > interaction is needed in the context of something needed to support > the participant 1/2 interaction. This may require an implicit or > explicit delegation of intent and/or authority in the communications > chain. Discussion of the chaining will be put off until a later time. > > Ken > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ken Laskey > MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 > 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 > McLean VA 22102-7508 > --Apple-Mail-35--1009015944 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The way that we ended up = discussing this was that there seemed to be two distinct modes in which = 'intent' is 'transmitted' to a third party: ambassador mode and = facilitator mode. <div><br></div><div>In ambassador mode, the = middle party's responsibility is limited to one of communication: = ensuring that the intent of Participant 1 is faithfully communicated to = P3. In such a scenario it is not even necessary for P2 to be aware of = P1's intentions: its expression may be encrypted for = example.</div><div><br></div><div>In facilitator mode, P2 adopts the = goal for itself and communicates with P3 as needed in order to achieve = the adopted goal. In this case, clearly, P2 must 'understand' in the = intent in order to be able to adopt it. In addition, the interaction = between P2 and P3 need not be directly about P1's intent but some = derived portion of = it.</div><div><br></div><div>Frank<br><div><div><div>On Feb 18, 2009, at = 2:17 PM, Ken Laskey wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div = style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">While I don't disagree with the = text on the slide, I would emphasize the = following:<div><br></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal = normal normal 13px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; ">Each participant in an = ownership domain has goals, objectives, responsibilities, and = constraints that are shaped by that domain. When a participant in = ownership domain 1 interacts with a particpant in ownership domain 2, = the participant in 1 conveys the intent that motivates the = interaction. The particpant in ownership domain 2 needs sufficient = semantic engagement to understand the intent of participant 1. = Also, the participants need (to a varying extent) to be able to = establish the identity of the other particpant. Participant 2, = upon receiving and, to some extent, understanding the intent of = participant 1, creates his own intent that (1) reflects what was = received and understood from participant 1 and (2) what can/should be = done within the goals, objectives, responsibilities, and constraints of = ownership domain 2. The alignment of the intents of the = participants depends on the other items that went into forming the = intent. Trust on the part of participant 1 for participant 2 is = that participant 2 will do things that result in the intent of = participant 1 being satisfied. The accountability on the part of = participant 2 will determine whether the trust of participant 1 was met, = not met, or possibly exceeeded. The assessment of accountability = will likely affect trust in the future.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: = normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 16px; = "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal = 13px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; ">The diagram also shows a similar = interaction between participants in ownership domains 2 and 3. The = interesting case is when this interaction is needed in the context of = something needed to support the participant 1/2 interaction. This = may require an implicit or explicit delegation of intent and/or = authority in the communications chain. Discussion of the chaining = will be put off until a later time.</div><div = apple-content-edited=3D"true"> <div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal = normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Ken</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" = size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px = Helvetica">---------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">Ken = Laskey</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" = size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 = <span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>phone:<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> = </span>703-983-7934</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">7515 = Colshire Drive<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> = = </span>fax:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> = </span>703-983-1379</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">McLean VA = 22102-7508</font></div> </div> = </div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-35--1009015944-- --Apple-Mail-36--1009015363 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIID2zCCA9cw ggK/oAMCAQICAQEwCwYJKoZIhvcNAQEFMHMxFzAVBgNVBAMMDkZyYW5jaXMgTWNDYWJlMRMwEQYD VQQIDApDYWxpZm9ybmlhMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzESMBAGA1UEBwwJQ3VwZXJ0aW5vMSIwIAYJKoZI hvcNAQkBFhNmcmFua21jY2FiZUBtYWMuY29tMB4XDTA4MDYxOTIxMjAwMFoXDTA5MDYxOTIxMjAw MFowczEXMBUGA1UEAwwORnJhbmNpcyBNY0NhYmUxEzARBgNVBAgMCkNhbGlmb3JuaWExCzAJBgNV BAYTAlVTMRIwEAYDVQQHDAlDdXBlcnRpbm8xIjAgBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWE2ZyYW5rbWNjYWJlQG1h Yy5jb20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDPQI1Mv2XXii4OgIjYaujcFZYl bTJcOySOPrvGRXmcUSgRuq2h5lLKsPaaaSuEXgTC6yBnbMYWSN4pibJAWTQTfoc5gshQYD/8aXfJ R2BI8V3W/wL82nDQ/3hJeESs0PrgthdTiUSpq0vyJeaICpUdFebucEplI2PGGhLCDc78ouURrJwR M1N7uYt1pXh1hDwG8wEVridHHgS2tWY6gB12xJqog/0F5x6WKg9HNV0nR6qNRho1O8hAwMTjlg4i ckcpoQFW9OY2K/dHUwQa2OM9q9lY5EdDMA3eSR+LdTGeo307vTtgYjTTxgjuTBusHp7POK396Kpi ZrlsPux7xAhpAgMBAAGjeDB2MA4GA1UdDwEB/wQEAwIEsDBEBgNVHSUBAf8EOjA4BggrBgEFBQcD BAYJKoZIhvdjZAQCBgkqhkiG92NkBAMGCiqGSIb3Y2QDAgIGCiqGSIb3Y2QDAgMwHgYDVR0RBBcw FYETZnJhbmttY2NhYmVAbWFjLmNvbTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOCAQEAIUMxbyVUw3Vc8ztywYOE DYzhMpS4134RfePwKEJcCHBQ8dOSuqFudwX8zRCDgEg/04FHEPvUf/4BZl0vp3SjMvWBAJEzXvdL 6xt9JiiL5O/Wf0opHA3YzNLPSD+5uOvn17b6HOgpGl4at/8y10HOUtjoJ8++fdQ/+tcpebEFCkY3 KcY62dKkLWKO+DUGNyeZCwFRlTkw6TFtll5rsqLEWAQ0RTRW2vl8mVbuzS8uJtddbxZdjT6BS//+ 3V7p2NCbYrHpHaGgsEYUZDSbfylHRgj+Hf23dJjI7bujV3DNGhNwaDsuzFZRbMlngb4ZGmv5yv9O UaBb/FALgiBxL57KQjGCAxYwggMSAgEBMHgwczEXMBUGA1UEAwwORnJhbmNpcyBNY0NhYmUxEzAR BgNVBAgMCkNhbGlmb3JuaWExCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRIwEAYDVQQHDAlDdXBlcnRpbm8xIjAgBgkq hkiG9w0BCQEWE2ZyYW5rbWNjYWJlQG1hYy5jb20CAQEwCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAXMwGAYJKoZIhvcN AQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDkwMjE4MjIzMDIyWjAjBgkqhkiG9w0B CQQxFgQUrzo2WizWTQBqVbyQCveG1Mk0XLYwgYcGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDF6MHgwczEXMBUGA1UEAwwO RnJhbmNpcyBNY0NhYmUxEzARBgNVBAgMCkNhbGlmb3JuaWExCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRIwEAYDVQQH DAlDdXBlcnRpbm8xIjAgBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWE2ZyYW5rbWNjYWJlQG1hYy5jb20CAQEwgYkGCyqG SIb3DQEJEAILMXqgeDBzMRcwFQYDVQQDDA5GcmFuY2lzIE1jQ2FiZTETMBEGA1UECAwKQ2FsaWZv cm5pYTELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxEjAQBgNVBAcMCUN1cGVydGlubzEiMCAGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYTZnJh bmttY2NhYmVAbWFjLmNvbQIBATANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQBoeNd/gbLO/Wid3tGw/GFvel3Q R50emPRl4HKZgol83uwtvnnDW8yi7bpdYklF9QTZ+M3tvNM5eQS55U6/IG9Y1yuJuVnGxt7uh2O4 q9BlV2HK2EsTWRpP1tTGqulZTIZ1IJBmWcIjpuZUeJXYMvXedfqtc3f9yhN3TrA5aTatlUFasAMH JxQAa9P3QMwVxBzjXLNtY4UjvUV+xxs0KGo6DkAFdAB0RKabCu4fXEsPt3HS/v7dXJh96qK32aBo kDW0QSupLf4re2w5mGDw6IUCfE5o8rS4IiIm9dpamixoXgEVVYRhemr/faqDIt83YeSgiMMbgzV+ 9IftO7q6mo3mAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-36--1009015363--
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